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For 6-7kt trolling do you think a planer scares more fish than a cigar weight?

Old 07-24-2020, 09:52 PM
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Default For 6-7kt trolling do you think a planer scares more fish than a cigar weight?

I honestly run a planer because I don't have to bring it in when I have a smaller fish on another line (I just skip the fish to the boat when it gets close).

A planer also gets baits deeper, not sure there's any arguing that, even a 64oz cigar weight doesn't get baits down past a few feet even going 6kts

My planer has a longggg leader and I don't let it out too far, so the planer itself isn't even to my first bait probably, and I can see a fish maybe staying away from the bait closest above the planer, but are you missing out with cigar weights? I mean they still cause a scene and still collect weeds...
Old 07-25-2020, 02:43 PM
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I'm not sure, but down here most guys who pull planers run lures a good 50' from the planers, while the cigar weight guys are using maybe 10-15' leaders. Planers have been killing fish for decades, maybe it does spook some fish but the extra depth you get probably makes up for some of it. The best argument I've heard about avoiding planers is the weights make leadering fish easier with less time having a bladed 5 oz hunk of metal swinging near your face while you focus on putting the fish in the boat, while avoiding a dedicated planer rod or line.
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I do not think fish will get scared of a planer. I suspect they will be attracted by curiosity. A guy in Hawaii made a trolling tube to install a video camera and placed it in his wake. Blue Marlin swam up and took a look many times. He never knew the fish was in the spread because the fish did not rise to his lures.
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It is not difficult to fish both a planer and a cigar weight off each of the back corners of your boat as the planer will be closer to the boat and the cigar weight will be farther back on the other side. Just be careful putting them out by either going straight or deploying the second one on the out side of a slight turn. Of course, both should be fished on braid so it cuts down through the water better with no stretch. This combo is very effective for wahoo and kings. Fish a long leader behind the cigar weight also, as this was the standard charter boat rig years ago, the old "wire line," with monel wire on the reel before braid became popular.
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Hard to say. I know folks that paint their planners black & others that polish them to a mirror shine for fish attracting flash
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I've seen some nice bite marks on my cigar sinkers while trolling for wahoo over in the Bahamas. We were tempted to put a hook on one of them.
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Originally Posted by bluescholar View Post
I'm not sure, but down here most guys who pull planers run lures a good 50' from the planers, while the cigar weight guys are using maybe 10-15' leaders. Planers have been killing fish for decades, maybe it does spook some fish but the extra depth you get probably makes up for some of it. The best argument I've heard about avoiding planers is the weights make leadering fish easier with less time having a bladed 5 oz hunk of metal swinging near your face while you focus on putting the fish in the boat, while avoiding a dedicated planer rod or line.
I run about 40+' behind my planer, the issue is the planer itself it "roughly" right below the first set of baits even though they're a good bit outside the wake and the planer in under the wash. That being said my short baits only make up about 10% of my strikes so.....
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I would not try and outsmart decades of the best fisherman in the world using planers consistently to kill millions of pounds of fish.
This is one of those situations where something really works. It's not arguable.
A planer bridle will solve most of the issues Blueschool is talking about, but that's not what OP is inquiring about really.
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Nah. Local guy set me up with this setup and it has crushed fish. 65lb ppro hiviz, marked every 100ft. Let out 300 ft of braid. Then a planer bridle. Mkes retrieval easy. Unhook the planer and fight the fish to the boat. Have an 80ft leader. No need to hand leader just reel it in.

I know the #4 has to be hitting 30ft bc hooked reef before lol. #3 is about 20ft.
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Wahoo will hit planers. If you think you’re scaring fish use a longer leader.
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Here in NC there are folks who swear they hurt you Tuna fishing and Billfishing. For Billfishing I think it's just a matter of you being too deep for Wahoo and it being a pain in the ass to get out of the way when you hook up. For Tuna it's arguable. The best Tuna day I ever had the planer never left the water and it caught several Yellowfin and Blackfin. Anyone that has ever pulled a planer many times has a story of a wahoo cutting a planer off. So they don't scare them too much.
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Last year in the Wahoo Challenge, we had a nice Wahoo on the long rigger rod and a Sail hit the planer bait, we released the Sail long before we boated the Hoo.
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I've had fish hit cigar leads . I don't know if I have ever had one hit a planer but since they are stainless and harder they don't show marls as much, but I dont think either actually scare fish away, unless your having a tough day and need a scapegoat .

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Originally Posted by jheiii View Post
Nah. Local guy set me up with this setup and it has crushed fish. 65lb ppro hiviz, marked every 100ft. Let out 300 ft of braid. Then a planer bridle. Mkes retrieval easy. Unhook the planer and fight the fish to the boat. Have an 80ft leader. No need to hand leader just reel it in.

I know the #4 has to be hitting 30ft bc hooked reef before lol. #3 is about 20ft.
So how are you attaching the 80’ leader to the braid main line that you can reel the last 80’? Are you using small Spro swivels that can run tjrough your guiders?
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Originally Posted by rwp2101 View Post
Wahoo will hit planers. If you think you’re scaring fish use a longer leader.

I lost my biggest planer, along with a bridal rig, 100 ft of 150 wind on leader, islander, the whole kit and kabootal two weeks ago

the main line came up all chaffed,

figured either a piece of debris or a wahoo.

costly
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Originally Posted by the dog View Post
I lost my biggest planer, along with a bridal rig, 100 ft of 150 wind on leader, islander, the whole kit and kabootal two weeks ago

the main line came up all chaffed,

figured either a piece of debris or a wahoo.

costly
I like planer bridles as well, but have you ever used a bridle for a large torpedo trolling sinker? My current HST setup is main line to the torpedo weight to 100' of 400lb mono shock leader to the lure on 6' of cable. This means I have to leader the last 100'. I have wind-on guides and am wondering if I can use a bridle for the torpedo weight, assuming i leave enough room on the reel for 100' of that heavy 400;b mono. Anyone do this?
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Originally Posted by rwp2101 View Post
I like planer bridles as well, but have you ever used a bridle for a large torpedo trolling sinker? My current HST setup is main line to the torpedo weight to 100' of 400lb mono shock leader to the lure on 6' of cable. This means I have to leader the last 100'. I have wind-on guides and am wondering if I can use a bridle for the torpedo weight, assuming i leave enough room on the reel for 100' of that heavy 400;b mono. Anyone do this?
If you’re running 100’ of mono behind the sinker it doesn’t need to be large mono, and certainly not 400#. With that length whatever you use for normal bridle test should be fine as long as you’re using a short tooth-proof cable or wire at the end. I don’t run the bridle sinkers myself but I have several good customers who do well with them.


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Originally Posted by Lone Ono View Post
If you’re running 100’ of mono behind the sinker it doesn’t need to be large mono, and certainly not 400#. With that length whatever you use for normal bridle test should be fine as long as you’re using a short tooth-proof cable or wire at the end. I don’t run the bridle sinkers myself but I have several good customers who do well with them.
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Originally Posted by Smoke n Mirrors View Post
So how are you attaching the 80’ leader to the braid main line that you can reel the last 80’? Are you using small Spro swivels that can run tjrough your guiders?
Yes, exactly. Mike at RJ's shop rigged this one, using RJ's wind on: https://www.rjboylestudio.com/wind-on-planer-rig.html

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