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Old 12-31-2019, 03:21 PM
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So I went out a few weeks ago and did some bottom fishing. Was catching fish just fine on an Okuma tg15 2 speed until I hooked into something big. So here’s the deal I hooked the fish and it made a good run after which it stopped and I tried to pump and reel but on pumping the line would just slide out and I wasn’t able to make any progress other than an occasional 1 to 2 cranks and the fish running out the same amount of line I had just gotten in if not more which led me to increase drag thinking it would let me get the fish up but ultimately that just ended the fight with me breaking off.

Now the question was the fish just too big for me too leverage up by force (I’m thinking big grouper that got me in the reef) or was my line slipping because I have braid with no backing. What are the signs of the line slipping.
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Old 12-31-2019, 03:53 PM
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Braid slipping will not be affected by drag setting, thus is drag is not strong enough and you adjust it, and there is no change. Likely that the braid is spinning on the spool.

Once a big grouper gets you into the reef, He has won the battle 99/100 times. Once it a while you can release drag and he may come out on his own, or you can dive boat up and over him and try again.
IMHO most grouper do not make a big run, the mostly make a short run down and then your done. When you hook up a grouper the first min it is critical to keep the heat on them.
Could have been a reef donkey also.
Old 12-31-2019, 06:42 PM
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poor spooling job-braid is slipping on spool
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Sometimes it can take a few cycles of braid getting wet and drying out before it starts to slip . No problems a trip or two and then bam...
Old 01-01-2020, 03:30 AM
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I purchased a roll of Friction Tape and I put a wrap of that around the spool before I spool braid. Braid will dig into the tape and won't spin but braid must be tightly spooled.
Old 01-01-2020, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by highflier1 View Post
Braid slipping will not be affected by drag setting, thus is drag is not strong enough and you adjust it, and there is no change. Likely that the braid is spinning on the spool.

Once a big grouper gets you into the reef, He has won the battle 99/100 times. Once it a while you can release drag and he may come out on his own, or you can dive boat up and over him and try again.
IMHO most grouper do not make a big run, the mostly make a short run down and then your done. When you hook up a grouper the first min it is critical to keep the heat on them.
Could have been a reef donkey also.
yeah it was a shorter run probably just enough to get me into the reef.
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Originally Posted by tarpononecharter View Post
I purchased a roll of Friction Tape and I put a wrap of that around the spool before I spool braid. Braid will dig into the tape and won't spin but braid must be tightly spooled.
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As wrote above, big fish escaping in a hole.
Fishing near reefs or rocky bottom will need to be able to crank the fish away from holes he can hide.
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He rocked up on you. Next time do one of 2 things. First try "twanging" the line like a guitar string. Grouper hate that noise and vibration. After a minute of that they will sometimes try and move to another hole. Once he exits the hole Reel Like Hell.

Second thing to try is to let the line go slack and don't put any pressure on him. Watch the line and when you see it move again Reel Like Hell.

Both of those tricks have put a lot of grouper in my boat when normally they would have been broken off.
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Originally Posted by Lone Ono View Post
Fish was too big for the angler. If the braid were slipping it wouldn’t have broken off when you cranked the drag.

Was the spool turning when you were losing line (in the stalemate)?
I'm in agreement here. If the spool was not moving, then your line was either slipping on spool, or not tight enough and compressing on the spool. Only you can answer that question. I'm guessing your drag was slipping as designed.

Braid slipping is a fairy tail. Should never happen with the right knot and the right tension while spooling. One of the best ways to ruin a good spool is put tape on it.
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You don't need tape or any backing for braid
A San Diego jam knot with a tail that's as long as the width of the spool and it will never slip
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If the boat is drifting the fish can pull the entire boat and get you into the hole, make sure if drifting the boat is slowly pulling you away from where he wants to go either in gear or in and out of gear.

This is why you own a 2 speed reel, when you get the bite lock the drag reel like hell, when you get in a stalemate put it in low and gain any inch you can, the fight on the reef is won or lost in the first minute if you lose any in the first minute your chances are really low.
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I work in a shop that does warranty work for most reels. We get reels brought into the shop as well as mailed into the shop claiming the drag is not working. First question we ask is there backing on the reel. Most times we get a questioned look, and the customer says, "What's backing?" Most of the time we can grab the spooled line and turn it on the spool without the spool moving. I never spool a reel with braid without at least 10 yards of mono under the braid and tied with a double uni.
I had a friend with me one day with a brand new Penn 4/0 spooled with 600 yards of 50# braid, complaining about his drag not working. I put the line in the water and unspooled it as we were idling along. When I got to the end, I cut the line, gave it to him to hold while I wound some mono on the spool, then tied the braid back on and handed him the rod to crank the braid back on. Do you have any idea how much drag 600 yards of braid pulls when idling at about 5 mph. He struggled for a while till I brought the boat to neutral
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i do mono backing to avoid slip, only need a couple wraps around spool then tie braid
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you need to spool braid under tension. 5 to 10lbs works well. and if you know how to spool braid properly, you do not need any sort of tape around the spool.
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Originally Posted by Lone Ono View Post
When I started running braid in the 90’s I got some corrosion on the spindles. Now I carefully cover up the spindles with two full wraps of mono before switching to braid. Anybody else notice more corrosion with braid?
No. But I have seen many spools destroyed by tape. I just go with a 20 turn San Diego jam knot and a tail now. Many of the new spools are braid ready.
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Sounds like the braid was slipping on the real. Coulple wraps of mono backer will cure that. I learned my lesson with that on gear before. Only happens once. Lol.
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Out of curiosity, can somebody explain how 2" of electrical tape can ruin a reel? I have a few conventional reels, and IIRC, manufacturers recommended it for spooling with braid.
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It can gwt wet and trap moisture, then the corrosion starts. Many conventionals are braid ready mow. it would hace a small bump on the spool that you can hook a loop onto

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