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Old 09-11-2019, 06:43 PM
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Default 130 Line capacity

I received a 130 Intl in the shop for minor repair and to respool. Repair is completed. Customer wants to respool with 200# braid ( probably JB or Momoi Hollow core) with a topshot of 200 yards of 130 mono. So, my question is, how much 200# hollow core will this reel hold. I know it's going to be a lot!!
Old 09-11-2019, 08:17 PM
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Around 800-900yards of hollow core with room left over for a 200 yard topshot. Depending on what brand line you use

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Originally Posted by Lone Ono View Post
I do it by math formula. (Rated Capacity X .85)-(Topshot X 3)

Where Rated Capacity is 3085 and Topshot is 200=

(3085 X .85)= 2622
-(200 X 3)= 600

= 2022 yds. of 200# Braid and 200 yds. of 130# Topshot for a total of 2222 yds.
haha. That couldnít be more wrong
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Yeah I don't know what he's thinking about. 800 yards of mono maybe
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There is an app that calculates it. Top Shot Calculator. 1370 yards of backing or so.
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Originally Posted by Lone Ono View Post

I donít have anything to say about this, I just quoted it so you donít delete it tomorrow when you sober up.
I wasnít attacking you. Just found it funny.

Iíve spooled more 130ís in the past year than most will in their life at the tackle shop I worked at. A penn international 130 will not hold any whereís near 2000 yards of 200 pound hollow core with a 200 yard topshot
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Penn's website say's 3085 yards of 200lb braid on a 130 vis, that is just straight braid of course. I know some of the older Penn's hold a little less then the newer models. But WOW, that is a ton of line.
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I ordered two 2500 yard spools of 200# hollow core to use a backing on two Tiagra 130s that I recently purchased. I'm not sure I will need all of it but I expect each reel to hold 2000 - 2200 yards of the backing with room for a 200 yard top shot.
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Originally Posted by OldBay View Post
I ordered two 2500 yard spools of 200# hollow core to use a backing on two Tiagra 130s that I recently purchased. I'm not sure I will need all of it but I expect each reel to hold 2000 - 2200 yards of the backing with room for a 200 yard top shot.
What pound topshot are you planning on using and what brand?

If you use a short 10 yard topshot you will be able to get around 1700 yards of hollow core on a tiagra.

I assume your gonna use 130 momoi diamond or 175 jinkai for topshot. With a 200 yard topshot of one of these lines you will get around 900 yards of 200# backing. This will leave you enough gap for the reel to still be fishable.

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Originally Posted by 32regulator View Post
What pound topshot are you planning on using and what brand?

If you use a short 10 yard topshot you will be able to get around 1700 yards of hollow core on a tiagra.

I assume your gonna use 130 momoi diamond or 175 jinkai for topshot. With a 200 yard topshot of one of these lines you will get around 900 yards of 200# backing. This will leave you enough gap for the reel to still be fishable.
Shimano says a Tiagra 80W (smaller than a 130) can hold 1920yd of 200lb Power Pro.

Penn says a International 130 will hold 3085yd of 200lb braid or 1005yd of 130lb mono.
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Originally Posted by K-dawg View Post
Shimano says a Tiagra 80W (smaller than a 130) can hold 1920yd of 200lb Power Pro.

Penn says a International 130 will hold 3085yd of 200lb braid or 1005yd of 130lb mono.
Not to be a dick but have you ever spooled a big game reel before? you might get close to 3k yards of straight 200lb braid if you fill the reel to the very top so it can barely spin and is not fishable.

If you want a 200 yard topshot like the OP stated. Then you will only be able to fit around 900 yards of 200lb braid and still have enough room left over for the 200 yard topshot. You cant fill your spool all the way to the top of the bar that goes across the spool.

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Here's what BALLPARK I came up with

Assumptions:
Reel Capacity per PENN site for 130VIS
* I assume Momoi Hi-Catch Mono and Momoi Diamond G3 Hollow Core *
- 1005yds of 130lb Hi-Catch mono (1.2mm OD)
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- 3085yds of 200lb G3 Hollow Core (.80mm OD)

Top Shot of 130lb Mono x 200yds

Backing of 200lb Hollow Core = Approx 1200yds
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Basil. Calling Basil. Cleanup in aisle 3.

My line calculator states 800 yards of 130# mono with a diameter of 1.2mm will equal 2,047 yards of 200# JBHC with a diameter of 0.75mm. Deciding how much less braid to leave room on the spool will be a personal decision to discuss with the reel owner.
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Not to beat a dead horse in the ground, but 32Regulator is on the money.

Trust me. I've spooled 6 130's just this week. Who knows how many this year?????

1000 +/- yards of 200# Hollow will leave just enough room for a 200 yard 130# top-shot with a little wind-on room as well.

Bank on it.
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The following was published many years back by SALTWATER SPORTSMAN. I cant vouch for 100% accuracy but it's the best, and most specific, calculator I've seen. Clearly, its imperfect based upon the precision under tension when spooling. I use it for BALLPARK assumptionns and typically err with a little less.
Saltwater Sportsman Article
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Many bottom-bumping anglers like to use superbraid lines to help them catch fish. Rather than spend up to $50 to spool a reel, top-shot with mono backing. Here's how to calculate the amount of mono to use. The first information you will need is the reel's line capacity.
For this example, I used the Penn 113H with 50-pound PowerPro and 30-pound Ande mono.
Penn lists the capacity of the 113H at 435 meters of .55-millimeter-diameter line. I like to convert all metric figures to English (see "Conversion Table"), so the reel holds 475 yards of 30-pound mono. You will also need to know the diameter of the lines. PowerPro's 50-pound-test line is .014 inches in diameter. Finally, Ande 30-pound monofilament is .022 inches in diameter.
To find the total capacity factor of the reel, multiply how many yards the spool can hold (476) by the diameter of the line, in inches (.022). 476 5 .022 = 10.5 yard-inches.
Use the same formula above to find the braid capacity factor. Only in this instance multiply the number of yards of 50-pound PowerPro that you want (150) by its diameter in inches (.014). 150 5 .014 = 2.1 yard-inches.
The total capacity factor (10.5) minus the braid capacity factor (2.1) gives us the remaining capacity factor: 8.4. Now, to figure out how many yards of mono backing you'll need to finish the job, divide the remaining capacity factor (8.4) by the diameter, in inches, of 30-pound Ande mono (.022-inch). 8.4/.022 = 382 yards—the amount of mono needed as backing.
— Adam Wilner

Conversion Table
1 mm = .0393701 inch
1 meter = 1.0936133 yard
1 yard = 3 feet
435 meters = 476 yards
.55 mm = .022 inch
50-pound PowerPro = .014-inch diameter
Ande Premium Monofilament 30-pound. = .022-inch diameter
Note: numbers are rounded

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Here is one of my personal Alutecnos 130 ( which have arguably more line capacity than a penn or shimano). This reel is backed with 900 yards of 200# C16 hollow and is topped with 180 yards of 200# jinkai. A little hard to tell in the photo but there is about a half inch to a inch gap left. Not attacking anyone but i dont see how you could get anymore than about 1200 yards of backing with still having a 200 yard #130 pound topshot. In the end its up to the customer on how long a topshot he wants and how full he wants the reel. No point in arguing but i thought i would let the OP know from first hand experience how much line he should expect to spool his customers reel.


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IMHO I think 32reg is right on. You cant argue with actual experience. You also have to be thankful for the sharing of it.

In other news, I want to be very clear. I live by a credo of sharing information and I trust others do as well. The above calculator was shared as source of information and a GUIDE in the hope it is a little helpful. It's not a perfect process. I can say it's worked very well for me, especially with wide gaps in OD of lines I use. There aren't loads of GOOD guides like it floating around, ergo the share.

Now, in the spirit of being ever self-deprecating, I can suggest the nerd approach for those interested. Put those formulas from the calculator above into a spreadsheet and build a model. It's not perfect but it's a ballpark start to solving future riddles. In the future, when you cant find a real world sample, plug the numbers in and err to the lower side.

At the end of the day, good to have folks who can say exactly what their experience has shown.
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Originally Posted by Lone Ono View Post

From a capacity standpoint thatís a little over 1/2 full, with the topshot. You could easy double the braid.

Looking at that picture makes me all the happier I retired my 130ís years ago.
dude idk why you keep trying to argue this. There is no way you could fit another 900 yards on this reel. Maybe itís the photo but this is basically maxed out.

maybe itís the type of line you use or something but I wanna know how you fit 200 yards of 130# topshot and 1800 yards of 200# braid.
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Originally Posted by Lone Ono View Post
Thatís far from maxed out. Iím sure itís right for your application though. Thatís why I retired my 130ís when quality braids came into existence, just donít need the capacity for Marlin.
Once again i think it is the photo that is throwing you off. If you look at the side of the spool you can see there is 1/2 inch from being completely maxed out.

I really would like to see how you are able to get 2000 yards of braid and still have room for a 200 yard topshot.

Until then I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by 32regulator View Post
Once again i think it is the photo that is throwing you off. If you look at the side of the spool you can see there is 1/2 inch from being completely maxed out.

I really would like to see how you are able to get 2000 yards of braid and still have room for a 200 yard topshot.

Until then I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
I would think going off/past the spool and onto the frame?

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