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N2theblue 09-14-2019 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by Bullshipper (Post 12927573)
Thee are some charters in Mexico that run $5K a day on a 65' Merrit, Josh Temple. Nba Players mostly.

I thought he was up in Tofino salmon fishing and in Nova Scotia bluefinning now.

N2theblue 09-14-2019 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by averagetuna (Post 12927158)
OK you are right about two things

1- that 200 is the tip, you are right if capt and mate are great and you really enjoy it seems like they deserve a nice tip, if they are aholes then it should be ok to stiff them, good point there

2 - some of yall definitely seem to be nerds!


Well yeah, I'm a nerd. But, nerds tend to be pretty damn successful nowadays. I would argue that one has to be a nerd to be a very successful fisherman if you go by this definition "a single-minded expert in a particular field."

rljjredhed 09-14-2019 12:53 PM

My 2 cents
 
My fishing buddy wanted to experience the Freeman ride and check off a bucket list item of large yellowfin. He is an offshore fishing fanatic so I am sure he researched the hell out of who to go with. We ended up on the boat in question and had a 194# and a 176# yellowfin on ice before lunch. With large yellowfin checked off our list the captain pointed her offshore and put us on an under- sized sword on the first drop. The captain definitely knows his shit when it comes to fishing. Really successful type A people are generally full of themselves/cocky and I would say the captain has a little of that in him but he produced for us so we laughed it off. If it was the same mate we had he was new very inexperienced and didnít say much even when we tried to talk to him. He barked at me when I was doing his job when landing a small fish while my buddy was fighting one of the big fish. I told him if he didnít like the way I was doing it that he could do his job and I wouldnít have to. If I am remembering correctly it was his first charter on the boat and it showed, we tipped him accordingly. The boat was/is badass no question of course it was fairly flat so any large center console would have handled great that day. I have to say it was weird cruising in comfort at 60 in any of the available seating. I can see why the original poster could get irritated based on the cost of these particular charters. I am not really into ass kissing and did not need it during our trip because the results were so good but if the fishing sucked you have to stroke the customer a little bit. I also agree with the captain about the stereo usage while fishing but dude turn it on the way in when the customer asks and is dropping 3k on a one day trip.

Slamdancer 09-14-2019 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by raven316 (Post 12926751)
Isn't that special. . .

paying $3,000 for someone to hook the fish for me to reel in sounds like loads of fun.

Bullshipper 09-14-2019 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by N2theblue (Post 12929045)
I thought he was up in Tofino salmon fishing and in Nova Scotia bluefinning now.

You are correct. His family is from west Vancouver Island. This was a few years back.I fished with him in 2003-2005, then I continued with Lora his mate who I prefer, and can afford.

He had clients that would compete to spend money. Saw two guys blow through around $50K in one night in one club. Then THEY went to two more.

raven316 09-15-2019 03:24 AM

whatever, couple of years ago I won a charity auction that gave me a ride in the front seats of aCobra. I hadn’t been up in a chopper in 50 years and had never been in a Cobra. I would have rather flown it and fired a couple of rockets but that wasn’t the deal. I’d rather have a million dollar boat and live at the beach but I don’t. There are all levels of experiences and this is the one I’m doing. Xin Loi.

johngreer44 09-15-2019 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by mdees88 (Post 12924675)
Great job on the Capt commenting on this thread. Always good to hear both sides. Only thing "fishy" now is post #119....

I mean how many times can you compliment a company in a single paragraph? 1) 100% positive experience 2) Caught biggest Mang's I've ever seen 3) Crew was exceptional 4) great experience 5) I've fished all over the world for decades and this is a top notch operation 6) latest/greatest boats/gear 7) already planning my next trip with them...….

Is it just me or is that a brother in law review? First post on THT mind you.....

No, not the captain's friend, brother in law, next door neighbor, etc. I met Colin for the first time at 6 am Tuesday morning when we showed up to fish. I talked with someone in the bar about the post and then went and read it. I read forums but typically don't post. Based on some of the comments, speculation, etc. from people that have never met this captain, I decided to post. Again, I was not on the boat the day that the OP was talking about. However, I did fish on this boat last week for 3 days with 5 friends, and we all had a great time. For anyone that is questioning the price of the charter, IMO it was well worth it. All in (3 days fishing, 5 nights lodging, travel, gas) the trip for 6 guys was just under $12k. $2k each for this trip was pretty reasonable. In regards to the 42 Freeman, my last boat was a 37' sportfish with diesels and tower that I owned for 12 years. Based on the conditions last week, I would have been running about 20 mph in that boat. On the Freeman we were running 35-45 mph in the same conditions. That equates to a lot more time with lines in the water. As for the bean bags, the captain suggested we sit in the bean bags as it was safer and more comfortable. He was right. Trying to move around any boat going 40 mph in bumpy seas is not the safest thing to do.

bnz 09-15-2019 10:41 AM

Venice charters are the most expensive charters per day that I've found. I've yet to find a captain there who doesn't have the attitude of "may way is the only way", even if they tell me up front I can fish my way with my gear. I've spent thousands of dollars on my gear (on charter trips usually have no less than $5k in rods and reels) and my gear is better than the capts yet they usually insist I use their gear and fish their way. I've even had rude things like the OP posted happened to me down there. After many charters there I'm to the point that if I go back again I'm going to haul my boat the 12 hrs it takes me to get there.

raven316 09-15-2019 11:05 AM

whatever, couple of years ago I won a charity auction that gave me a ride in the front seats for a Cobra. I hadnít been up in a chopper in 50 years and had never been in a Cobra. I would have rather flown it and fired a couple of rockets but that wasnít the deal. Iíd rather have a million dollar boat and live at the beach but I donít. There are all levels of experiences and this is the one Iím doing. Xin Lori.

raven316 09-15-2019 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by bnz (Post 12931242)
Venice charters are the most expensive charters per day that I've found. I've yet to find a captain there who doesn't have the attitude of "may way is the only way", even if they tell me up front I can fish my way with my gear. I've spent thousands of dollars on my gear (on charter trips usually have no less than $5k in rods and reels) and my gear is better than the capts yet they usually insist I use their gear and fish their way. I've even had rude things like the OP posted happened to me down there. After many charters there I'm to the point that if I go back again I'm going to haul my boat the 12 hrs it takes me to get there.

So you've been unhappy on "many charters down there" but you've kept going back?

Hjudge49 09-15-2019 11:34 AM

We fished out of Venice about a month ago. Got there a day early and watched what was caught, not much to it so we didn't expect to slay the tuna. Fished with Paradise charters for the second time. The Captain (Scott) and mate were helpful, professional and friendly. None of us expected to sit in the seats behind the console, Scott had told us on earlier trips that we needed to be in the rear when the Cat was up on the foils. My son runs an offshore charter boat, and I would never expect to be behind the wheel on on the bridge (if there was one) without an invitation from the captain. Like an earlier poster said, fished a drill ship with 10-12 other boats and had one tuna run and caught one wahoo. Not a great day, but when asked, we told Scott to take us in and fished for snapper. Great captain, mate and boat and had a fun day, even without tuna. The attitude of the captain and crew makes all the difference on a trip. Watched some of the other captains at the Venice Marina dealing with their customers and was absolutely appalled by the way they treated the "sports". Way too much ego and attitude from some of those young guys. When they had a bad day fishing, they just turned nasty.
I don't charter often, mostly fishing my own boats, but I wouldn't put up with that crap.

raven316 09-15-2019 02:14 PM

"Watched some of the other captains at the Venice Marina dealing with their customers and was absolutely appalled by the way they treated the "sports".

I'm curious, were these interactions at the end of the day?

Stanley Orchard 09-16-2019 10:29 AM

Freeman's
 
Thats such a bummer to hear. The freeman reps are good guys from my experience but it only takes one bad apple.

Stanley Orchard 09-16-2019 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by raven316 (Post 12931785)
"Watched some of the other captains at the Venice Marina dealing with their customers and was absolutely appalled by the way they treated the "sports".

I'm curious, were these interactions at the end of the day?

valid question... and what kind of day was it?

Stanley Orchard 09-16-2019 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Slamdancer (Post 12925679)
I much prefer to fish my own or a friends boat. I find it more relaxing, enjoyable & rewarding, being in control than of my own destiny.

could not agree more

N2theblue 09-16-2019 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by rljjredhed (Post 12929156)
I am not really into ass kissing and did not need it during our trip because the results were so good but if the fishing sucked you have to stroke the customer a little bit. I also agree with the captain about the stereo usage while fishing but dude turn it on the way in when the customer asks and is dropping 3k on a one day trip.

You don't have to ass kiss or "stroke the customer" just be a normal, pleasant to deal with human being. Not an asshole. Although asshole does seem to be the default in a lot of society nowadays, unfortunately.

paragod689 09-20-2019 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by raven316 (Post 12924229)
Do the captains own the boats on these operation?

Its my understanding that one of them does. I was told a rich guy and Billy Freeman are the actual owners of the entire outfit or have a large interest. This could be right, partially right, or completely wrong. Just what another captain in Venice told me.

Blazer7420 09-21-2019 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by paragod689 (Post 12949163)


Its my understanding that one of them does. I was told a rich guy and Billy Freeman are the actual owners of the entire outfit or have a large interest. This could be right, partially right, or completely wrong. Just what another captain in Venice told me.

If true, that would explain ALOT.
There is no way a captain can afford paying for one of these boats and it would explain the hype.


Bluewaterbyrd42 09-21-2019 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by Blazer7420 (Post 12949930)
If true, that would explain ALOT.
There is no way a captain can afford paying for one of these boats and it would explain the hype.


actually. All of our boats are captain owned and operated. Billy freeman has nothing to do with MGFC other than having his name on the side of the boat. Two of the captains own the company of MGFC but our boats are all individually owned by the captains as independent contractors. As for the rest of the Venice charter fleet which are mostly owned by a single owner of that named charter service. Odd how rumors start....

alligatorgar 09-21-2019 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by Bluewaterbyrd42 (Post 12950036)



actually. All of our boats are captain owned and operated. Billy freeman has nothing to do with MGFC other than having his name on the side of the boat. Two of the captains own the company of MGFC but our boats are all individually owned by the captains as independent contractors. As for the rest of the Venice charter fleet which are mostly owned by a single owner of that named charter service. Odd how rumors start....

Pick your captain/boat carefully.


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