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N2theblue 09-14-2019 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by Bullshipper (Post 12927573)
Thee are some charters in Mexico that run $5K a day on a 65' Merrit, Josh Temple. Nba Players mostly.

I thought he was up in Tofino salmon fishing and in Nova Scotia bluefinning now.

N2theblue 09-14-2019 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by averagetuna (Post 12927158)
OK you are right about two things

1- that 200 is the tip, you are right if capt and mate are great and you really enjoy it seems like they deserve a nice tip, if they are aholes then it should be ok to stiff them, good point there

2 - some of yall definitely seem to be nerds!


Well yeah, I'm a nerd. But, nerds tend to be pretty damn successful nowadays. I would argue that one has to be a nerd to be a very successful fisherman if you go by this definition "a single-minded expert in a particular field."

rljjredhed 09-14-2019 12:53 PM

My 2 cents
 
My fishing buddy wanted to experience the Freeman ride and check off a bucket list item of large yellowfin. He is an offshore fishing fanatic so I am sure he researched the hell out of who to go with. We ended up on the boat in question and had a 194# and a 176# yellowfin on ice before lunch. With large yellowfin checked off our list the captain pointed her offshore and put us on an under- sized sword on the first drop. The captain definitely knows his shit when it comes to fishing. Really successful type A people are generally full of themselves/cocky and I would say the captain has a little of that in him but he produced for us so we laughed it off. If it was the same mate we had he was new very inexperienced and didnít say much even when we tried to talk to him. He barked at me when I was doing his job when landing a small fish while my buddy was fighting one of the big fish. I told him if he didnít like the way I was doing it that he could do his job and I wouldnít have to. If I am remembering correctly it was his first charter on the boat and it showed, we tipped him accordingly. The boat was/is badass no question of course it was fairly flat so any large center console would have handled great that day. I have to say it was weird cruising in comfort at 60 in any of the available seating. I can see why the original poster could get irritated based on the cost of these particular charters. I am not really into ass kissing and did not need it during our trip because the results were so good but if the fishing sucked you have to stroke the customer a little bit. I also agree with the captain about the stereo usage while fishing but dude turn it on the way in when the customer asks and is dropping 3k on a one day trip.

Slamdancer 09-14-2019 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by raven316 (Post 12926751)
Isn't that special. . .

paying $3,000 for someone to hook the fish for me to reel in sounds like loads of fun.

Bullshipper 09-14-2019 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by N2theblue (Post 12929045)
I thought he was up in Tofino salmon fishing and in Nova Scotia bluefinning now.

You are correct. His family is from west Vancouver Island. This was a few years back.I fished with him in 2003-2005, then I continued with Lora his mate who I prefer, and can afford.

He had clients that would compete to spend money. Saw two guys blow through around $50K in one night in one club. Then THEY went to two more.

raven316 09-15-2019 03:24 AM

whatever, couple of years ago I won a charity auction that gave me a ride in the front seats of aCobra. I hadn’t been up in a chopper in 50 years and had never been in a Cobra. I would have rather flown it and fired a couple of rockets but that wasn’t the deal. I’d rather have a million dollar boat and live at the beach but I don’t. There are all levels of experiences and this is the one I’m doing. Xin Loi.

johngreer44 09-15-2019 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by mdees88 (Post 12924675)
Great job on the Capt commenting on this thread. Always good to hear both sides. Only thing "fishy" now is post #119....

I mean how many times can you compliment a company in a single paragraph? 1) 100% positive experience 2) Caught biggest Mang's I've ever seen 3) Crew was exceptional 4) great experience 5) I've fished all over the world for decades and this is a top notch operation 6) latest/greatest boats/gear 7) already planning my next trip with them...….

Is it just me or is that a brother in law review? First post on THT mind you.....

No, not the captain's friend, brother in law, next door neighbor, etc. I met Colin for the first time at 6 am Tuesday morning when we showed up to fish. I talked with someone in the bar about the post and then went and read it. I read forums but typically don't post. Based on some of the comments, speculation, etc. from people that have never met this captain, I decided to post. Again, I was not on the boat the day that the OP was talking about. However, I did fish on this boat last week for 3 days with 5 friends, and we all had a great time. For anyone that is questioning the price of the charter, IMO it was well worth it. All in (3 days fishing, 5 nights lodging, travel, gas) the trip for 6 guys was just under $12k. $2k each for this trip was pretty reasonable. In regards to the 42 Freeman, my last boat was a 37' sportfish with diesels and tower that I owned for 12 years. Based on the conditions last week, I would have been running about 20 mph in that boat. On the Freeman we were running 35-45 mph in the same conditions. That equates to a lot more time with lines in the water. As for the bean bags, the captain suggested we sit in the bean bags as it was safer and more comfortable. He was right. Trying to move around any boat going 40 mph in bumpy seas is not the safest thing to do.

bnz 09-15-2019 10:41 AM

Venice charters are the most expensive charters per day that I've found. I've yet to find a captain there who doesn't have the attitude of "may way is the only way", even if they tell me up front I can fish my way with my gear. I've spent thousands of dollars on my gear (on charter trips usually have no less than $5k in rods and reels) and my gear is better than the capts yet they usually insist I use their gear and fish their way. I've even had rude things like the OP posted happened to me down there. After many charters there I'm to the point that if I go back again I'm going to haul my boat the 12 hrs it takes me to get there.

raven316 09-15-2019 11:05 AM

whatever, couple of years ago I won a charity auction that gave me a ride in the front seats for a Cobra. I hadnít been up in a chopper in 50 years and had never been in a Cobra. I would have rather flown it and fired a couple of rockets but that wasnít the deal. Iíd rather have a million dollar boat and live at the beach but I donít. There are all levels of experiences and this is the one Iím doing. Xin Lori.

raven316 09-15-2019 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by bnz (Post 12931242)
Venice charters are the most expensive charters per day that I've found. I've yet to find a captain there who doesn't have the attitude of "may way is the only way", even if they tell me up front I can fish my way with my gear. I've spent thousands of dollars on my gear (on charter trips usually have no less than $5k in rods and reels) and my gear is better than the capts yet they usually insist I use their gear and fish their way. I've even had rude things like the OP posted happened to me down there. After many charters there I'm to the point that if I go back again I'm going to haul my boat the 12 hrs it takes me to get there.

So you've been unhappy on "many charters down there" but you've kept going back?

Hjudge49 09-15-2019 11:34 AM

We fished out of Venice about a month ago. Got there a day early and watched what was caught, not much to it so we didn't expect to slay the tuna. Fished with Paradise charters for the second time. The Captain (Scott) and mate were helpful, professional and friendly. None of us expected to sit in the seats behind the console, Scott had told us on earlier trips that we needed to be in the rear when the Cat was up on the foils. My son runs an offshore charter boat, and I would never expect to be behind the wheel on on the bridge (if there was one) without an invitation from the captain. Like an earlier poster said, fished a drill ship with 10-12 other boats and had one tuna run and caught one wahoo. Not a great day, but when asked, we told Scott to take us in and fished for snapper. Great captain, mate and boat and had a fun day, even without tuna. The attitude of the captain and crew makes all the difference on a trip. Watched some of the other captains at the Venice Marina dealing with their customers and was absolutely appalled by the way they treated the "sports". Way too much ego and attitude from some of those young guys. When they had a bad day fishing, they just turned nasty.
I don't charter often, mostly fishing my own boats, but I wouldn't put up with that crap.

raven316 09-15-2019 02:14 PM

"Watched some of the other captains at the Venice Marina dealing with their customers and was absolutely appalled by the way they treated the "sports".

I'm curious, were these interactions at the end of the day?

Stanley Orchard 09-16-2019 10:29 AM

Freeman's
 
Thats such a bummer to hear. The freeman reps are good guys from my experience but it only takes one bad apple.

Stanley Orchard 09-16-2019 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by raven316 (Post 12931785)
"Watched some of the other captains at the Venice Marina dealing with their customers and was absolutely appalled by the way they treated the "sports".

I'm curious, were these interactions at the end of the day?

valid question... and what kind of day was it?

Stanley Orchard 09-16-2019 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Slamdancer (Post 12925679)
I much prefer to fish my own or a friends boat. I find it more relaxing, enjoyable & rewarding, being in control than of my own destiny.

could not agree more

N2theblue 09-16-2019 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by rljjredhed (Post 12929156)
I am not really into ass kissing and did not need it during our trip because the results were so good but if the fishing sucked you have to stroke the customer a little bit. I also agree with the captain about the stereo usage while fishing but dude turn it on the way in when the customer asks and is dropping 3k on a one day trip.

You don't have to ass kiss or "stroke the customer" just be a normal, pleasant to deal with human being. Not an asshole. Although asshole does seem to be the default in a lot of society nowadays, unfortunately.

paragod689 09-20-2019 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by raven316 (Post 12924229)
Do the captains own the boats on these operation?

Its my understanding that one of them does. I was told a rich guy and Billy Freeman are the actual owners of the entire outfit or have a large interest. This could be right, partially right, or completely wrong. Just what another captain in Venice told me.

Blazer7420 09-21-2019 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by paragod689 (Post 12949163)


Its my understanding that one of them does. I was told a rich guy and Billy Freeman are the actual owners of the entire outfit or have a large interest. This could be right, partially right, or completely wrong. Just what another captain in Venice told me.

If true, that would explain ALOT.
There is no way a captain can afford paying for one of these boats and it would explain the hype.


Bluewaterbyrd42 09-21-2019 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by Blazer7420 (Post 12949930)
If true, that would explain ALOT.
There is no way a captain can afford paying for one of these boats and it would explain the hype.


actually. All of our boats are captain owned and operated. Billy freeman has nothing to do with MGFC other than having his name on the side of the boat. Two of the captains own the company of MGFC but our boats are all individually owned by the captains as independent contractors. As for the rest of the Venice charter fleet which are mostly owned by a single owner of that named charter service. Odd how rumors start....

alligatorgar 09-21-2019 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by Bluewaterbyrd42 (Post 12950036)



actually. All of our boats are captain owned and operated. Billy freeman has nothing to do with MGFC other than having his name on the side of the boat. Two of the captains own the company of MGFC but our boats are all individually owned by the captains as independent contractors. As for the rest of the Venice charter fleet which are mostly owned by a single owner of that named charter service. Odd how rumors start....

Pick your captain/boat carefully.

paragod689 09-21-2019 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by Bluewaterbyrd42 (Post 12950036)



actually. All of our boats are captain owned and operated. Billy freeman has nothing to do with MGFC other than having his name on the side of the boat. Two of the captains own the company of MGFC but our boats are all individually owned by the captains as independent contractors. As for the rest of the Venice charter fleet which are mostly owned by a single owner of that named charter service. Odd how rumors start....

This is pure interest and fact-finding but does Billy not have to approve sale pricing of the boats when sold?

Marlin308 09-21-2019 07:30 AM

Iíve personally fished with multiple charter captains in Venice over the last decade. I canít speak of the captain identified in this thread, but Jordan Ellis with MGFC is one of the best captains Iíve ever used. Not only is he a fish killing SOB, heís one of the all around best dudes youíll ever meet. Totally professional at all times and someone Iíd have a beer with anytime.


pwrhd 09-21-2019 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by Marlin308 (Post 12950257)
Iíve personally fished with multiple charter captains in Venice over the last decade. I canít speak of the captain identified in this thread, but Jordan Ellis with MGFC is one of the best captains Iíve ever used. Not only is he a fish killing SOB, heís one of the all around best dudes youíll ever meet. Totally professional at all times and someone Iíd have a beer with anytime.


Could not agree more. I'm fishing with him two days next week.

N2theblue 09-22-2019 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by paragod689 (Post 12950184)


This is pure interest and fact-finding but does Billy not have to approve sale pricing of the boats when sold?



What does that have to do with anything. Most manufacturers have special pricing for certain clients. For example, Yellowfin has for years done a deal where if you agree to buy a new boat every year then you get reduced pricing.

Saltybrad 09-22-2019 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by meritmat (Post 12926245)
Still struggling with this 3k for a days fishing.....is that because itís a 42 foot boat? How much for the old 31 foot B?

Haha you should probably avoid halibut fishing then...Having fished with Colin, I can say the operation is run like a swiss watch. He takes the fishing extremely seriously and if you pay attention you can learn a ton of things. One for me was the bead on the sabiki rods. As I was told to reel the bead to the tip while getting hardtails off the rigs, I still would always leave a gap making it harder for them to debait the sabiki. I applaud the guys at MGFC for putting up with folks that are stubborn and full of extremely high expectations while trying to deliver on some demanding fishing.

paragod689 09-22-2019 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by N2theblue (Post 12952564)
What does that have to do with anything. Most manufacturers have special pricing for certain clients. For example, Yellowfin has for years done a deal where if you agree to buy a new boat every year then you get reduced pricing.

Did you miss you the part where I typed ďpure interestĒ and ďfact-findingĒ? It was a question I was curious about. Thank you for explaining how builders price their boats for repeat customers. My question was regarding selling them.

raven316 09-23-2019 02:32 AM

Well i’m flyin to the Easy this morning and goin out of Venice tomorrow! I’m jacked, GO DAWGS!

JoseG 09-23-2019 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by Saltybrad (Post 12952577)
Haha you should probably avoid halibut fishing then...Having fished with Colin, I can say the operation is run like a swiss watch. He takes the fishing extremely seriously and if you pay attention you can learn a ton of things. One for me was the bead on the sabiki rods. As I was told to reel the bead to the tip while getting hardtails off the rigs, I still would always leave a gap making it harder for them to debait the sabiki. I applaud the guys at MGFC for putting up with folks that are stubborn and full of extremely high expectations while trying to deliver on some demanding fishing.

Itís probably to the fact that the extremely high expectations are connected to the extremely high charter cost, $3k plus fuel plus $xx.xx for a bucket of ice.

If these boats fish 250 days a year, they bring in $750k. Fuel is paid by customer. Without knowing too much about the operational cost, ROI seems good.

Bally Hooooo 09-23-2019 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by JoseG (Post 12954283)


Itís probably to the fact that the extremely high expectations are connected to the extremely high charter cost, $3k plus fuel plus $xx.xx for a bucket of ice.

If these boats fish 250 days a year, they bring in $750k. Fuel is paid by customer. Without knowing too much about the operational cost, ROI seems good.

The 3k included fuel, next time go check their charter pricing before you post stupid shit like this.

pooldoo73 09-23-2019 06:56 AM

Daily rates for the boats were posted in THIS thread. $3K was not a posted daily rate.

Marlin308 09-23-2019 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by JoseG (Post 12954283)


Itís probably to the fact that the extremely high expectations are connected to the extremely high charter cost, $3k plus fuel plus $xx.xx for a bucket of ice.

If these boats fish 250 days a year, they bring in $750k. Fuel is paid by customer. Without knowing too much about the operational cost, ROI seems good.

Daily rates vary from $1,800 to $2,000 plus fuel, depending on boat and captain. I've personally never had a fuel bill much over $600 when using MGFC.


paragod689 09-23-2019 05:42 PM

With weather I doubt most boats get 200 days in a year.

tbaxl 09-25-2019 03:46 PM

I gave up on Venice after last year, easier to just run to the same spot from other venues.

pooldoo73 09-27-2019 10:31 AM

I fished the captain referenced in this thread yesterday. Had a great trip. Can't wait to fish the next trip.

sunkcost 10-02-2019 08:53 AM

Mgfc
 
Iíll preface this with yes I expect to be bashed for the post, but itís an honest take from my charter with these guys. I fished on another 42 over the winter going down to Venice with expectations for great fishing and wanting to leave thinking the 42 would be my next boat and not a Viking.

Venice is a cool place and if the fishing and charter industry there dies so will the community.

I left saying i wouldnít fish with mgfc ever again and I would never be replacing my competitors 40 ft cc with a freeman. Iím also used to fishing on a boat with a lot of yelling, long northeast canyon runs on a cc and a grisly thick skinned crew. Iíll also never put a trip here over a trip to Costa Rica. Captain thought he walked on water, and felt like he was just taking us for a boat ride. Boat was a great platform, but didnít like the rough water that day as the journey south sea Vee ran right past us while we struggled to make 20 knots.

Not bashing anything, just concurring with some reviews above.

kaku 10-02-2019 10:30 AM

I would much rather go to Costa Rica for that much money not knocking Venice , I went out on cloudy off and on rainy day out of quepos and the fishing was off the hook.

bnz 10-02-2019 12:20 PM

Funny, I fished with Journey South back when they had their freeman and just got their SeaVee. Fished two days, one on each boat. Their Freeman was a much better ride and fishing platform and we made 35-40 in some rough stuff. Went out the next day in the SeaVee, and while faster, it was not anywhere close in terms of ride, even sitting on beanbags. Hated to see them get rid of that Freeman.

capt.gene 10-02-2019 12:37 PM

Rudeness and attitude when dealing with the paying customers are signs of burnout. Yesterdayís clients pissed me off so Iím unloading on you guys today.

marx88 10-02-2019 10:21 PM

When Collin pulls up to whodat and tosses 100s of live pogies out, I like to stand on the ttop and cast my popper right at'em! An if I ever get a chance imma hop on one of them mexican boats and let them treat me like shit, except I'll have plenty of beer and hookers and those guys will think I walk on water. Next time tip cocaine!

gamefish25 10-03-2019 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by joseg (Post 12954283)


itís probably to the fact that the extremely high expectations are connected to the extremely high charter cost, $3k plus fuel plus $xx.xx for a bucket of ice.

If these boats fish 250 days a year, they bring in $750k. Fuel is paid by customer. without knowing too much about the operational cost, roi seems good.


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