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meritmat 09-10-2019 09:05 AM

Boy makes me appreciate the charter company's I use in Cabo even more

Bullshipper 09-10-2019 09:21 AM

we pay $500 a day for fishing on a small cat here. $3k a day blows my mind

old hat 09-10-2019 09:29 AM

Yes, there are always two sides to the story. Have you written a letter to Richard Draper at Mexican Gulf detailing your experience as you have here? It would be great to hear their response. Charter fishing can be a grind when you don’t get any days off and fishing isn’t great. This captain doesn’t sound like he had his head in this trip from the get go. But that is no excuse for being treated the way you were.


Rod27 09-10-2019 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by RollTideRob (Post 12915546)
Too busy to PM and discuss details, but has almost 10,000 posts on a boating forum website and spent 10 minutes reading a review of a charter and the ensuing commentary, just to add a couple of posts that have zero merit... LOL!! God bless THT.

cuz my opinion means nothing and wont change a thing...it is what it is. OP should call MG and tell them.

Troutchaser21 09-10-2019 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by old hat (Post 12915919)
Yes, there are always two sides to the story. Have you written a letter to Richard Draper at Mexican Gulf detailing your experience as you have here? It would be great to hear their response. Charter fishing can be a grind when you donít get any days off and fishing isnít great. This captain doesnít sound like he had his head in this trip from the get go. But that is no excuse for being treated the way you were.


Draper is not who we fished with. He is who we were originally booked with but got switched at the last minute.

pooldoo73 09-10-2019 09:40 AM

A year ago, the 37' boats are ~$1800/day and 42' boats are ~$2100/day. Clients pay for fuel.

houtxfisher 09-10-2019 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by ed d (Post 12915593)
They went into it excited looking for a special experience with his dad and got blindsided and tried to make the best of it . First with the boat bait and switch then with his dad's seating then with the unfriendly intimidating capt and his ego trip . I can see eating some crap for his dad's sake hoping it would get better but never did . Sounds like the anatomy of a trip gone wrong . I think I could have made it to when the capt was fishing over top of me then blown a gasket then the capt would have thrown his little boy temper tantrum wa wa wa and headed for home - but do you want to your father to see that . Kicking an old man out of his seat , classy . Ooo I'm a capt at MG and drive my super dooper boat into the gulf and catch fishy fishy ... get over yourself , your not curing cancer . If I'm gonna pay 3K for abuse she's gonna be young ...

... there's always 2 sides though , maybe the op and his party refused to wear clothes or something .

You owe me a keyboard! 😂

Liveactionfishing 09-10-2019 12:13 PM

I chartered voodoo a couple months ago and the seating scenario was the same, clients in the back. I was booted out of the mates seat too, totally understandable when you have a bunch of captains driving 20k lb missiles at 50+ mph down rivers and creeks and dodging the 1000’s of rigs just offshore. If that’s my boat, I’m putting the best set of eyes I know (the mate) right next to me to help keep my passengers safe.

Bullshipper 09-10-2019 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by Liveactionfishing (Post 12916503)
I chartered voodoo a couple months ago and the seating scenario was the same, clients in the back. I was booted out of the mates seat too, totally understandable when you have a bunch of captains driving 20k lb missiles at 50+ mph down rivers and creeks and dodging the 1000ís of rigs just offshore. If thatís my boat, Iím putting the best set of eyes I know (the mate) right next to me to help keep my passengers safe.

If you have you have problems seeing 35' boats, oil rigs and drill platforms at the speed you are going you shouldn't be behind the wheel.

The client paid to have an enjoyable day, the crew was the cause of their problems, and that's on them.

edistorunner 09-10-2019 12:35 PM

Draper is a good dude, fished with him a couple years ago. That being said, some of the guys with me on the that trip went back last year, booked 2 boats, said they would never go back to those assholes. Don't remember which MGFC boats they were fishing, but it wasn't Draper.

savage25xtreme 09-10-2019 12:45 PM

I hate to tell ya'll this, but the most comfortable seat on the boat is in the back in a bean bag chair. I don't know how ruff it was, but I have been out with Homerun and special Eddie and much prefer the bean bag ride to anywhere else. If your 65 Y.O. father was in a bean bag it would also be hard for him to fall very far.

Attitude is a completely different subject.

Rod27 09-10-2019 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by RollTideRob (Post 12915546)
Too busy to PM and discuss details, but has almost 10,000 posts on a boating forum website and spent 10 minutes reading a review of a charter and the ensuing commentary, just to add a couple of posts that have zero merit... LOL!! God bless THT.

10" to read? nah i read it a little quicker. That being said, now that i have a minute, ill say the context has been discussed a bit more. Yea if they are running through rough water or hauling ass around those tributaries like the other boat that ran into the marsh, maybe there was some miscommunication or difference in versions, so maybe the mate was justified in asking to take his "copilots seat". Cant really explain the rest. Yea the back is usually the most comfortable ride, but a 65 y/o man doesnt have the hip mobility a younger guy does to get in and out of a low lying bean bag, and almost any seat on a big Freeman is comfortable.

Ok now im out.

ed d 09-10-2019 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Bullshipper (Post 12916547)
The client paid to have an enjoyable day, the crew was the cause of their problems, and that's on them.

Sounds like they went for a ride on Public Transportation rather then a High Dollar Private Charter from a Top Outfit .


Originally Posted by Rod27 (Post 12916698)
like the other boat that ran into the marsh,

I thought those guys were duck hunting ?
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...e169c7d130.jpg

JoseG 09-10-2019 01:51 PM

Is the ďarrogant/ego attitudeĒ an option on the Freeman build sheet? (Rod27, this is not directed at you)

I wonít pay $3k to be treated like sh!t... Itís always humbling to listen to Bouncer Smith talk about customer service in HIS charter business.

averagetuna 09-10-2019 01:59 PM

A couple facts and realities:

1 - Alot of charter captains can be dicks, its overall a pretty hard job and customers generally are a pain in the ass
2 - It sounds like this customer was probably not an exception to the general rule above
3 - Even more charter captains than usual are dicks when the tuna fishing sucks
4 - The yellowfin tuna fishing has sucked in Venice for a while now. There are different theories as to why, but the huge amount of dickbag charter captains and the ridiculous expectations set by ego driven social media BS and the lack of any brain being applied to long term sustainability of resources or a successful charter business (one that doesn't require an obnoxious meat haul to be considered a "decent trip") has obviously played a part

Troutchaser21 09-10-2019 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by averagetuna (Post 12916860)
A couple facts and realities:

1 - Alot of charter captains can be dicks, its overall a pretty hard job and customers generally are a pain in the ass
2 - It sounds like this customer was probably not an exception to the general rule above
3 - Even more charter captains than usual are dicks when the tuna fishing sucks
4 - The yellowfin tuna fishing has sucked in Venice for a while now. There are different theories as to why, but the huge amount of dickbag charter captains and the ridiculous expectations set by ego driven social media BS and the lack of any brain being applied to long term sustainability of resources or a successful charter business (one that doesn't require an obnoxious meat haul to be considered a "decent trip") has obviously played a part

I run a 42' CC out of Galveston so yes I would consider myself an "exception" to the general customer. Even if we were bonehead, clueless clients with sky high expectations it certainly does not warrant to be treated the way we were as the customer. I also understand that these captains are passionate about fishing and get frustrated when the fishing sucks but there's just no excuse. I am in the commercial real estate business and when the market is bad and things get tough do we go to our EXISTING clients and jump their ass for no reason? No, we sure don't. Because we are not children and those existing clients are the only ones still feeding us while the market is bad. When the tuna fishing is bad I would think all the more reason to treat your clients that much better so that you can keep fishing for a living. I'm tired of hearing people excusing captains bad behaviors because they are so passionate about fishing or because of the typical dreaded bonehead client. I think they need to remember these "general pain in the ass customers" are the ones that are keeping food on the table.

alligatorgar 09-10-2019 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by averagetuna (Post 12916860)
A couple facts and realities:

1 - Alot of charter captains can be dicks, its overall a pretty hard job and customers generally are a pain in the ass
2 - It sounds like this customer was probably not an exception to the general rule above
3 - Even more charter captains than usual are dicks when the tuna fishing sucks
4 - The yellowfin tuna fishing has sucked in Venice for a while now. There are different theories as to why, but the huge amount of dickbag charter captains and the ridiculous expectations set by ego driven social media BS and the lack of any brain being applied to long term sustainability of resources or a successful charter business (one that doesn't require an obnoxious meat haul to be considered a "decent trip") has obviously played a part

Donít forget the shortage of ice because of global warming. You need to add that to your list....

averagetuna 09-10-2019 02:31 PM

i hear you troutchaser, i didnt even mean particular offense by my comment, that is just the dynamic on a decent amount of trips these days, that's just an honest opinion and i meant my whole post to point more at the charter guys being out of control down there than that you did anything really wrong as a customer.

but the ice and all that, i mean sounds like there was some difficulty communicating by both sides, sounds a little weird, if you need a little ice just go get some ice - if he was that tight on "ice for fish not being included in the price" then see my comments 1 and 3...

Blazer7420 09-10-2019 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by averagetuna (Post 12916860)
A couple facts and realities:

1 - Alot of charter captains can be dicks, its overall a pretty hard job and customers generally are a pain in the ass
2 - It sounds like this customer was probably not an exception to the general rule above
3 - Even more charter captains than usual are dicks when the tuna fishing sucks
4 - The yellowfin tuna fishing has sucked in Venice for a while now. There are different theories as to why, but the huge amount of dickbag charter captains and the ridiculous expectations set by ego driven social media BS and the lack of any brain being applied to long term sustainability of resources or a successful charter business (one that doesn't require an obnoxious meat haul to be considered a "decent trip") has obviously played a part

Sounds like a lame ass excuse.
Maybe the captain needs to find a new line of work or a bigger boat where he doesn't interact with the customer.
A drift boat perhaps.


N2theblue 09-10-2019 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by averagetuna (Post 12916860)
A couple facts and realities:

1 - Alot of charter captains can be dicks, its overall a pretty hard job and customers generally are a pain in the ass

This is a bullshit excuse. Do you excuse a food service employee if they are an asshole to you? I doubt it. Charter fishing is a service industry and the best advertising is word of mouth / personal referrals. If you can't be nice to your clients, pretty soon you won't have any clients left. I've never been on a charter with an asshole for a captain, either as client or mate. I've been on some where the fishing sucked, I've worked for some dumbasses, but they all knew that it was a customer service industry and they all treated the clients well and did their best to make them happy. Even the ones in Oregon Inlet who mostly just stay up on the bridge. A lot of the Captains on the Outer Banks are known for being pretty salty and hard on their mates but they treat their clients like they are supposed to be treated, because they want them to come back and go fishing again.

Especially somewhere like Venice where the fishing is the draw, and there are a lot of good captains, an asshole isn't very likely to make it long. You're not dealing with a bunch of Ohio tourists down on vacation who decided to go fishing for the day for the most part, like captains deal with in more touristy areas like Myrtle Beach. You're dealing with folks who know at least a little bit about what is going and made the decision to drive all the way to the middle of nowhere and pay a bunch of money to catch tunas. These aren't folks who are just taking a half day to catch spanish or something along the beach as something to do while on vacation. When I was mating my whole goal was for the client to have a good time whether we caught fish or not. Every Captain I know had or has the same attitude. Even the ones who are dicks away from fishing turn completely around when dealing with clients.

I also think its funny so many people are blaming the poor fishing when I was told not very long ago on this board that the fishing is still great down there and well worth the money and the long trip. Now it sounds like folks are saying it might not be.

MayhemFT 09-10-2019 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by N2theblue (Post 12917017)

I also think its funny so many people are blaming the poor fishing when I was told not very long ago on this board that the fishing is still great down there and well worth the money and the long trip. Now it sounds like folks are saying it might not be.

Thereís a reason you donít see the social media posts of boards full of tuna anymore. Couple of weeks ago I was trolling a drillship and there were 15 or so boats there fishing for tuna, and most of charter boats. Only a few small tuna were caught there that day.

N2theblue 09-10-2019 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by MayhemFT (Post 12917248)
Thereís a reason you donít see the social media posts of boards full of tuna anymore. Couple of weeks ago I was trolling a drillship and there were 15 or so boats there fishing for tuna, and most of charter boats. Only a few small tuna were caught there that day.

I know, and I made that point just a few short months ago and was told I didn't know what I was talking about.


cg1 09-10-2019 04:58 PM

Story sounds legit to me. Would be helpful to others to name the captain.

I cant believe anyone tries to defend the charter company. I would be pissed if I paid $300 on a charter and got treated that way. I think the ďitís a hard job, lots of captains are dicksĒ excuse is classic. What a joke. Doesnít take much of a downturn in economy for $3k day trip charters to be a hard sell. Iíd be treating my customers like gold right now.


John_Madison CT 09-10-2019 06:32 PM

I'd have the last laugh when I gave then NO tip. For $3K they should be kissing your butt.

slickster 09-10-2019 06:48 PM

Fished out of Venice a fair amount, the charter biz has gone to a new level, $650,000 boats and a large increase in number of captains and boats to choose from, now it's all about the money IMO....most charters will try for tuna for a bit, then either go sword fishing or do the amber jerk, in the winter/ spring it's wahoo if no tuna are around, no excuse for a capt/ mate to give the attitude to their paying clients....

Miller29429 09-11-2019 04:57 AM

Fished with Colin Byrd down there this year. Nice enough guys. Sorry about your experience, it sounds 100% accurate. I would have lost my shit. Also, I would mention the boat you fished on. You aren't protecting anyone by not calling out the boat and captain. If a restaurant sucks, they get a bad review. MGFC should be calling you with a minimum $1500 credit card refund which should come right out of the captains pocket.
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ERG153 09-11-2019 05:28 AM

Not sure if it was mentioned, but would you mind sharing how much you tipped? Perfectly understandable if you don’t, I’m just curious.

sea hoss 09-11-2019 06:04 AM

I must have been doing this wrong all this time. I've been paying Eddie for over a decade now to abuse once or twice a year...:rofl: Seriously OP, I'm sorry you had a bad experience and you shouldn't leave thinking all of Venice is that way. From what I've seen in Venice this (which is only 2 trips) I would hazard to guess some of these Capt's have to be worrying about paying for these 3/4 million dollar boats at this point. I've been chartering and carrying my own boat to Venice for the last 20 years and have seen the place change unbelievably. I've also had shit charters down there as well as many more fantastic charters. Hopefully if you ever go back you will have a much better experience. I as well as my fishing mates have been asked to get out of the deckhands spot, but a 65 year old man IMO is a different story.

triumphrick 09-11-2019 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by Troutchaser21 (Post 12916917)
I run a 42' CC out of Galveston so yes I would consider myself an "exception" to the general customer. .

Brother, you need to change that screen name.....

:grin:

Troutchaser21 09-11-2019 06:17 AM

Itís interesting how many PMís Iíve gotten guessing it was Colin Byrd..seems we werenít the only ones..

Miller29429 09-11-2019 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by Troutchaser21 (Post 12918524)
It’s interesting how many PM’s I’ve gotten guessing it was Colin Byrd..seems we weren’t the only ones..

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Makes sense.

Colin Byrd's young mate does have quite the chip on his shoulder. I think he's trying his best to be like Colin. I can totally picture him kicking your dad out of his seat like that.
IMO a lot of those guys can use a customer service class. They have bad ass boats & catch fish but that's only half of the job. The other half is making me, my wife & my family happy. I'm not asking you to kiss my ass but if my father wants to sit in a captains chair next to the captain then your mate can stand on the other side of the leaning post if he needs to talk.

spearfish25 09-11-2019 07:14 AM

Post the captain and boat. I'm a doctor and patients post reviews all the time. This is the age of social media. Reviews are expected, so don't be shy.


Colin Byrd. Colin, may your behavior be reflected by your increasing number of days sitting at the dock.

scooperfl 09-11-2019 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Liveactionfishing (Post 12916503)
I chartered voodoo a couple months ago and the seating scenario was the same, clients in the back. I was booted out of the mates seat too, totally understandable when you have a bunch of captains driving 20k lb missiles at 50+ mph down rivers and creeks and dodging the 1000ís of rigs just offshore. If thatís my boat, Iím putting the best set of eyes I know (the mate) right next to me to help keep my passengers safe.

That was not the point and the OP said as much. If it was explained politely and respectfully in order to increase safety or as a training opportunity, I doubt there would have been a problem. Believing that the young mate disrespected your father is going leave an impression that most would find impossible to forgive or forget.

Fishing 200 days per year is a grind, but the ENTIRE JOB of a charter crew is to make sure customers have a great day, tell their friends, and want to come back. Barring some ridiculous circumstance, it's a fail when this does not happen.

N2theblue 09-11-2019 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by Miller29429 (Post 12918570)
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Makes sense.

Colin Byrd's young mate does have quite the chip on his shoulder. I think he's trying his best to be like Colin. I can totally picture him kicking your dad out of his seat like that.
IMO a lot of those guys can use a customer service class. They have bad ass boats & catch fish but that's only half of the job. The other half is making me, my wife & my family happy. I'm not asking you to kiss my ass but if my father wants to sit in a captains chair next to the captain then your mate can stand on the other side of the leaning post if he needs to talk.


And guess what, if you are nice to clients and treat them right they can have an enjoyable trip even if the fishing is less than stellar.

Kenny Powers 09-11-2019 07:57 AM

I help out with a waterfowl outfitter. Our reviews are very good, but there's always one every year it seems. Usually a very high strung type A personality, demanding things sometimes weeks before their trip, bossing everybody around, usually their own group is in the "just tolerating this guy" camp..... Then he'll go online and make some accusations only half founded in truth, but fully not understanding how the game works....

For the record, I'm not at all saying you're this guy, bad charters/captains definitely exist. I'm just saying there are 3 sides to every story; and I'd love to hear theirs.

Vantaredoc 09-11-2019 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by Kenny Powers (Post 12918911)
I help out with a waterfowl outfitter. Our reviews are very good, but there's always one every year it seems. Usually a very high strung type A personality, demanding things sometimes weeks before their trip, bossing everybody around, usually their own group is in the "just tolerating this guy" camp..... Then he'll go online and make some accusations only half founded in truth, but fully not understanding how the game works....

For the record, I'm not at all saying you're this guy, bad charters/captains definitely exist. I'm just saying there are 3 sides to every story; and I'd love to hear theirs.

Yeah, especially the part about not wanting to give up a little ice after the guy spent 3 thousand freaking dollars to ride on a Freeman!

Blazer7420 09-11-2019 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by Liveactionfishing (Post 12916503)
I chartered voodoo a couple months ago and the seating scenario was the same, clients in the back. I was booted out of the mates seat too, totally understandable when you have a bunch of captains driving 20k lb missiles at 50+ mph down rivers and creeks and dodging the 1000ís of rigs just offshore. If thatís my boat, Iím putting the best set of eyes I know (the mate) right next to me to help keep my passengers safe.

No wonder they end up in the bushes.
A bunch of cocky mofo's for sure.


ed d 09-11-2019 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Vantaredoc (Post 12919058)
Yeah, especially the part about not wanting to give up a little ice after the guy spent 3 thousand freaking dollars to ride on a Freeman!

:rofl: That part grated on me too . Really ? smucks .

MakoMyDay 09-11-2019 09:13 AM

Venice guide had an attitude? NO Way! Was the water wet down there also?


There's a few that are really nice, some that I'm friends with. There's also a LOT who are cocky jackasses that think they're better than you. It's been that way for 25 years. Now there's just twice as many guides as there used to be, so twice as many turds too. Nobody likes paying to get bossed around.

20biminitwist 09-11-2019 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by MayhemFT (Post 12917248)
There’s a reason you don’t see the social media posts of boards full of tuna anymore. Couple of weeks ago I was trolling a drillship and there were 15 or so boats there fishing for tuna, and most of charter boats. Only a few small tuna were caught there that day.

Following along here as I had a post a while back inquiring about a trip to Venice to Tuna Fish.

I'm in the business and have kinda seen it all from both perspectives. Been on some good trips with only a few fish and some bad trips with a ton of fish.
To include my boat and quite a few charters.

I looked long and hard and talked to some buddies including my mate on my boat to put the trip together.

We decided to go back to Cabo!
I can fish 2 days for the price of one trip in Venice and be on a nice convertible and catch YFT, Dorado, Black, Blue and Striped Marlin as well as Sailfish and Wahoo. Yes, we have had some slow days there but we have also caught all of the specie I mentioned here. All that without a long high speed run in a open boat.
I also have been treated very well and actually communicated with the Captain I use this morning as we have become amigo's over the years.

The Venice trips still intrigues me but from what I have seen and expected all this pressure from the recent increase of high speed long range boats may be taking it's toll on the fishery. For the time being it seems business is great but one has to wonder if it's sustainable.

Back to the OP, I wish I could get away with being a dick with my clients and not be named in a bad review.
Heck, come on down and maybe I will give you a discount after I clean your fish if you don't ask for some ice!


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