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C Pirate 4723 09-08-2019 04:21 PM

Parker vrs C Hawk / Yahama vrs Suzuki
Good afternoon,
I am a first time poster and will try not to act too much like a noob.
I have been fishing inshore mostly with a few dozen trips offshore in the last 10 years.
I recently acquired my Capt. License and looking to start an offshore charter business here in SW Florida.
I am currently looking at a 2016 - 17, 29' C Hawk (listed on the web for 95K) and a 2019 -20, 28' XLT SC New Parker (roughly 150K)
C Hawk has twin 300 Suzuki's with approx 75 hours & **30k in electronics mostly Furuno with a 16 degree Dead Rise
Parker comes with twin 250 or (3500.00 upgrade) twin 300 Yamaha's & a Garmin (GPS MAP 7610 XSV & B60 TH W/ VHF 110) with a 21 degree Dead Rise
I cannot find much information on the C Hawk Hull, only that is more generic build and not as classy as Parker's
It takes about 2 hours to get offshore far enough to find the deeper water (approx 2' per mile)
I am a working man not a wealthy man so to me that is quite a $ spread.

My questions:
) Does anyone have any feedback on the C Hawk Boats in the 29' class?
) The C Hawk Suzuki's only have the second half of the 6 year extended warranty left on them so should this be a deal breaker?
) My understanding of DR is 16 degree will cut chop but roll a lot more when anchored. I really never paid attention to the roll while I was reeling in the grouper so will this be a major issue with new fishermen?
- The Parker offers a 21 degree which reduces roll but has quite a bit of spray as I found out when we hit the thunder storm recently on our way in. Anyone more than 5 foot behind the cabin was soaked.
) Cost difference between new Parker and used C Hawk about 55K / Would you take the chance on the savings or play it safe with new?
Thank you

George Zahradka 09-08-2019 04:52 PM

For that kind of money do yourself a favor and buy a great used offshore boat a regulator or contender something like that

I can tell you that the c hawk is not a offshore boat it will beat you for shore more of a bay boat not saying it can’t go offshore just not built for it ........

.can’t say much about the Parker never owned one or been on one.......I seen them off the mid Atlanta before

2870bw 09-08-2019 05:11 PM

You have the deadrise thing backwards. 16 will pound more while running and roll less at drift , 21 will cut chop better while running but roll a bit more .

sailphish 09-08-2019 05:22 PM

16 degree deadrise will pound in chop, but is more stable on drift. 21 degree deadrise is kind of a compromise for offshore. It will ride decent enough, but roll at anchor a bit more than the 16 degree boat. Most true offshore boats have a 24 degree deadrise.

i have a 25 Parker with 16 degree hull. I have been happy with it, but needed a mod-v hull as I do a bit of fishing in relatively shallow water. We do take it offshore occasionally, but it would NOT be my choice for a dedicated offshore boat.

If I had to make 2h runs each way, the C Dory wouldn’t even be a consideration. I don’t even know if I would be considering the Parker, which does OK in rough water but isn’t great (especially with the foreword seating position. I would probably opt for a CC designed for offshore work in the 28-32 range. If you need the enclosure, look at smaller express boats like an Albemarle/ Carolina Classic in the 28-30ft range. They will be slightly older, but you can still find them in very good condition within your budget.

Lucky John 09-08-2019 06:40 PM

I had a 2120SC Parker for 7 years and now in my 5th season with my 2015 2520 XLD. I can tell you that the resale value will be a lot more than a C Hawk. A 2 hour run on a 2820 with twin 300's is a piece of cake. The available fishing room on a 2820 will blow away an Albemarle or Carolina, and those will be inboards and require more maintenance. Correct Craft purchased Parker earlier this year so not sure if there is any changes in quality /construction going forward. There is no perfect boat, everything is compromises. A new boat will get you 5 years warranty on engines which is something to think about. Look around, do sea trials and make a sound decision.

captain28570 09-08-2019 06:55 PM

I fished on a 28 Parker quite a bit offshore. The guys that owned it commercial fished a lot. Boat rides way better than the lesser deadrised Cabin boats. Did nothing but bottom fish and bluefin tuna fishing.

Boat was very stable and rode pretty well for having a cabin so far forward.

C Pirate 4723 09-09-2019 02:10 AM

Thank you for the feedback

chrisrack 09-09-2019 04:52 AM

I like both hulls and am familiar with each.

I am also very familiar with the fishery and local waters that you are planning on entering.

While I like both boats, and feel that each has their unique attributes, for what you are doing, I would take a hard look at the Parker 2820.

That said, I would look for a used 2820 in good shape before paying $150k on a new boat.

C Pirate 4723 09-09-2019 05:28 PM

Thank you again,

I have been searching the web for (Pilot House / Sport Cabins) in the 28' range but not too many options or out there available.
I am also having to finance some of the package so there are restrictions on how old I can go.
I agree that older is more economical, then I mentally conflict with older boats may spend more time in shop than on water, with new we have some security of warranty for a while.

Thus the C Hawk which is quite a bit less up front, but I see there is no resale value on it. I was more locked on the 30k electronics package and low hour engines i guess than the boat itself.

I really like the layout of the Pilot House Style Boat that keeps the fishermen all together and I feel I will have more control over managing there needs. Plus the wife already has patio furniture picked out for the back deck so we can do all the local "party" parades, sunset cruises and Island hopping (Yippee).

Thank you all for your input, It was greatly appreciated and I learned a lot.

Srbenda 09-09-2019 06:19 PM

Why a pilot house in SW Florida? You might use it a few times during January and February and during a storm.

tarpononecharter 09-11-2019 02:40 AM

I realize you didn't ask this question but I would suggest you seriously think through the charter captain occupation especially if you are planning on making a living at it. There are a ton of threads on the subject but I suspect very few people actually make a good living at it. And also if you are going to purchase a boat talk to your accountant about the tax advantages of purchasing a new boat vs. a used boat.
I sent you a PM.

mr buck 09-11-2019 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by tarpononecharter (Post 12918086)
I realize you didn't ask this question but I would suggest you seriously think through the charter captain occupation especially if you are planning on making a living at it. There are a ton of threads on the subject but I suspect very few people actually make a good living at it. And also if you are going to purchase a boat talk to your accountant about the tax advantages of purchasing a new boat vs. a used boat.
I sent you a PM.

...especially since the OP indicated that he is an inshore fisherman who has only fished offshore a dozen times in the last 10 years and wants to start an Offshore charter operation.

willf650 09-13-2019 06:49 PM

I assume in Florida you don’t have to make long runs to go ”offshore”. I will tell you the c-hawk doesn’t have a very large tank for the boat size. We have 200 plus mile days fishing up here.

I had just returned from an offshore tuna trip and ran into a guy at the ramp with a big c hawk he had just bought. My boats a 23’ Parker and has a 137 gallons. The c-hawk was a much larger boat and only had slightly more fuel and he had 2 250 hp motors. He was scared to go beyond about 38 miles out. Our day was spent 75 miles out. He was a little upset about his new boats limited range.

Acebasinsportfishing 09-14-2019 03:01 AM

With a few dozen trips in the past 10 years do you feel that is enough experience to be running off shore fishing charters?

tarpononecharter 09-14-2019 03:07 AM

Looks like OP's gone.

C Pirate 4723 09-15-2019 06:12 AM

Thank you for the feedback.
Have been buried in my property maintenance business as season approaches.

I am leaning towards a new boat instead of used.
I also am not looking to travel to the deep blue looking for big game, I am looking for the smaller game fish like Grouper, Snapper, Amber jack range. We have had more good than bad days on the water and have never exceeded 70 miles offshore.
Correct, I do not have a lot of offshore experience but I do have common sense, 7 day a week work habit and feel confident I can (learn) handle it.
Don't need to get rich but do plan on it being a profitable operation overall.

I know the Pilot House style boat is not very popular in SW Florida but I like it.

Thank you for the feedback

tarpononecharter 09-15-2019 06:33 AM

Best of luck!

Beachman 09-27-2019 05:01 PM

OP, did you buy that C-hawk. It appears to be off the market. It was a great deal if you did. He was asking 120 6 to 7 months ago.

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