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Old 09-06-2019, 08:17 AM
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The buoy rod thread got me thing about this. Is this a thing in the mid-Atlantic?? I have heard it mentioned being talked about in a couple seminars this year but that is all the info I have. Are people doing this in the slow current we have up here?
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I spoke to RJ Boyle about this. He recommended we slow troll up in the N.East as we don't have nearly the current they do in FLA so dont cover the same amount of bottom.
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Depends on drift speed last weekend out of cape May I was drifting about .8 of a knot and was perfect. Was able to make drifts over specific structure and line scope was perfect using 6lbs. Managed 6 bites came tight on 2 but pulled hooks on both after 30 mins each, but that’s sword fishing
but week prior had less then half a knot drift and was bump trolling and caught
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Please explain !!!!
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This is really pretty simple. Slow current allows you to bump troll and move around. It is not "trolling". Further, most guys (particularly those of us in the Gulf) use a sacrificial weight and then have a remaining 3lb (or so) weight. You don't want to get excessive scope from that light weight, nor do you need to.
Think of it as a luxury to bump ahead and move around easier vs trolling. The other factor is the Bathymetry where you're fishing. Many areas are more spot specific (I.e.domes, edges, small canyons) vs the Gulf Stream highwaiy in some places.

I know several guys now doing same in NE, i.e. off MD (slow current) with sacrificial tactic. I trust a couple of them will jump on here to share their NE specific experience as well. It's often very helpful to hear it from the guys in your area doing the fishing. Plenty up there with the first hand experience.

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Would using a heavier weight help with bump trolling? I've been dropping more and more lately and learning a lot. I always try to get at least a .8+ kt drift or better. End of the week is looking decent and we're gonna give it another go. I hooked one earlier this year, got him halfway to the surface and pulled the hook. Been on fire to get another one ever since.
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Yup bump trolling is what I am talking about, I do the same thing for inshore flounder fishing to do 1-1.2knots over ground. Also seems like quite a few of our fish are coming from the 1000-1400 depth instead of the typical 1600 from the guys in the south. Going to a sword seminar on the 21st put on by some southern guys but this is not one where I have heard about trolling like this.
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In Mid-Atlantic on days with no current you can bump boat around to find fish. But once we have fish pinpointed on how they are laying up on the structure no drift is fine. The boat doesn’t have to be moving to get bites. Use the reel to give the bait action. I’ve seen days where the swords are stacked up on one particular side or location of the structure, and the bite zone is no more than a 100’ or so. I’d rather have minimal drift to stay in the zone longer.
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slow trolling I like the idea. I would like to read more on the subject! you could practice with a weight of 3 pounds ... very slow current from me ... 0.8 / 1 knot
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We tried bump trolling in the mid-atlantic on our last trip. Drift was 0.2-0.3kts. I tried bump trolling to keep a steady 1kt, had trouble with line scope, even with 6lbs of lead. Never have had scope problems when we are actually drifting 1kt. Didnt have much success that day. A couple cheap bites.

When you guys are bump trolling are you going down current? just kicking in and out of gear to maintain a steady speed?
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Originally Posted by CapPhil View Post
We tried bump trolling in the mid-atlantic on our last trip. Drift was 0.2-0.3kts. I tried bump trolling to keep a steady 1kt, had trouble with line scope, even with 6lbs of lead. Never have had scope problems when we are actually drifting 1kt. Didnt have much success that day. A couple cheap bites.

When you guys are bump trolling are you going down current? just kicking in and out of gear to maintain a steady speed?
we just bumped in and out of gear to scope line out about 5-10 degrees then let it pendulum back vertical, was using 6# wahoo trolling stick weight, figured that out to follow maintain depth on structure than just run off edge shallow to deep. First time DD and took about 3rd drift before actually got bit, verified on bottom at depth, straight up/down spool stopped, came up 50-75 cranks, bumped forward / reverse to keep scoped vertical at basically idle or to make slight course change to follow contours, would reverify bottom again every 10 min or so , then crank back up, did anywhere from 30-75 cranks back up each time...can’t wait for weather break again to go try it again...off east coast MD/DE. Am a pure rookie but with what we figured out quik is what we were doing...

as far as with current or against. I tried to go with drift of boat, but not sure if wind drift at surface is different than current at depth, just tried to keep line vertical over what depth finder was seeing. First couple drifts was fighting staying vertical, and line scoped 20 degrees or more just drifting. So not sure if current direction deep was different than drift at surface....

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we just bumped in and out of gear to scope line out about 5-10 degrees then let it pendulum back vertical, was using 6# wahoo trolling stick weight, figured that out to follow maintain depth on structure than just run off edge shallow to deep. First time DD and took about 3rd drift before actually got bit, verified on bottom at depth, straight up/down spool stopped, came up 50-75 cranks, bumped forward / reverse to keep scoped vertical at basically idle or to make slight course change to follow contours, would reverify bottom again every 10 min or so , then crank back up, did anywhere from 30-75 cranks back up each time...can’t wait for weather break again to go try it again...off east coast MD/DE. Am a pure rookie but with what we figured out quik is what we were doing...

as far as with current or against. I tried to go with drift of boat, but not sure if wind drift at surface is different than current at depth, just tried to keep line vertical over what depth finder was seeing. First couple drifts was fighting staying vertical, and line scoped 20 degrees or more just drifting. So not sure if current direction deep was different than drift at surface....
I guess I messed up by not allowing the weight to pull the line back vertical.

We did very well this fall swordfishing. Was our first season trying it, went on 8 trips, killed fish on 5 of them and had fish hooked up and lost on the other 3. The last trip was by far the slowest due to the zero drift.

As far as line scope goes, we decrease weight until the line doesnt want to stay vertical anymore, some days it was 10#, others it was 4#. Bump trolling will probably require a little more weight.
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Ball park figure not secret spots but how far to deep water in DE?
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Originally Posted by captpepin View Post
Ball park figure not secret spots but how far to deep water in DE?
1,000-1,300 was our target depth got bit between 1,200-1,300 ft....
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do you use 65 lb braid?
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do you use 65 lb braid?
I have 100# Hollow core spliced to 100’ 150# momoi Diamond leader topshot
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Originally Posted by captpepin View Post
Ball park figure not secret spots but how far to deep water in DE?
You are going to be running at least 70nm out of IRI to get to appropriate water depth unless you fish in the actual canyons.

We have caught from 1100-1700ft. The bottom structure off our coast is fantastic for swords.
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Originally Posted by Texasblue View Post
This is really pretty simple. Slow current allows you to bump troll and move around. It is not "trolling". Further, most guys (particularly those of us in the Gulf) use a sacrificial weight and then have a remaining 3lb (or so) weight. You don't want to get excessive scope from that light weight, nor do you need to.
Think of it as a luxury to bump ahead and move around easier vs trolling. The other factor is the Bathymetry where you're fishing. Many areas are more spot specific (I.e.domes, edges, small canyons) vs the Gulf Stream highwaiy in some places.

I know several guys now doing same in NE, i.e. off MD (slow current) with sacrificial tactic. I trust a couple of them will jump on here to share their NE specific experience as well. It's often very helpful to hear it from the guys in your area doing the fishing. Plenty up there with the first hand experience.
Really interesting.
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Have been trying bump trolling and drifting for swordfish here in bermuda. Seems to be a longline fisheries for them around the island but have not heard of many people having succes daytime deep dropping for them. I am getting baits down well and without tangles. My issue is that the baits do not last 10 minutes. Have tried everything. Squid lasts seconds. Last trip had fresh bar jacks. After 10 minutes all that comes up is a skeleton. Looks like squid are the culprit as i see circular bite marks from their beaks. Frustrating because if that many squid are down there... there must be something eating them! Going to try chub or maybe trigger fish next time😂... nothing can get through that skin.
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Have been trying bump trolling and drifting for swordfish here in bermuda. Seems to be a longline fisheries for them around the island but have not heard of many people having succes daytime deep dropping for them. I am getting baits down well and without tangles. My issue is that the baits do not last 10 minutes. Have tried everything. Squid lasts seconds. Last trip had fresh bar jacks. After 10 minutes all that comes up is a skeleton. Looks like squid are the culprit as i see circular bite marks from their beaks. Frustrating because if that many squid are down there... there must be something eating them! Going to try chub or maybe trigger fish next time😂... nothing can get through that skin.
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