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Old 09-05-2019, 08:07 AM
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Default braid and mono

so I have a few reels that hold approx 200-yds of 40lb-mono. I need 300-yds per reel, at the same time, I've been told the hook up ration with mono (120 to 200lb tarpon, circle hooks) is higher than braid because of the stretch. So i'm toying with the idea of spooling the reels with approx 250yds of 80lb braid, and topping off with 50yds of mono for the initial strike/hook set. thoughts???
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Old 09-05-2019, 12:56 PM
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Sounds good to me, Just about every reel I own has braid on it, Connected to mono via the FG knot. Depending on that I am doing that mono may be 15' to 100'

I like the extra yardage I get via Braid, I get a better feel of the bite also. Last and not minor, when it is time to refresh the mono, It will not take much as nothing I have will need f=more that that 100' or so.

Bottom fishing rigs have 10-20' of mono, usually start at around 20' and it gets cut shorter and shorter due to nics and cut off etc. when it gets to 10' I remove it and put a fresh 20' on.
Trolling rigs have 100; or so. Does 2 things for me. Gives me the stretch I need on a aggressive hit, Plus when I see the braid coming off the reel, I know I am back 100'

For yellowtail I put 30-50' of mono on. (or fluro). Since these fish are sight sensitive. more than just a few feet is required. I expect that setup is closer to what you want for you Tarpon, except you obviously need stronger test line than my Yellowtail rigs.

I use FG knot since I do not want to reel a swivel through my guides and also di not like the idea of a swivel binding on the guides if a fish runs shortly after you get to the mono. The FG will go through the guides very smoothly. It does take 3-5 min to tie, But I do not have to tie it often.

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some people use hollow core braid then mono or fluorocarbon.
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Old 09-05-2019, 01:59 PM
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I guess here are my thoughts. I've been connecting my leader to braid with a double uni knot but I've lost confidence in that knot. A guy on this forum did extensive tests that confirmed the double uni is not a particularly strong knot. Maybe he will join in this thread. When I tarpon fish I use big reels and 300 yds. of 30 lbs. Momoi Diamond Mono. If I were using braid I probably use a swivel. Big tarpon will require a perfect connection knot and I'm not taking the time to tie some of these difficult knots so I use a swivel and 10 or 12 feet of mono leader.
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Braid to mono uni probably fails cuase the braid is thin and cuts into the mono, If you are in a pinch, double the braid before you tie uni to uni.

The FG knot is really not that hard of a knot to tie. The trick to making it is easy is.

Tie a stupid loop knot, put it around the reel handle, and set your drag to be loose, 2-5lb

Put rod into rod holder and tie the knot, when almost done pull braid off reel handle and tie half hitches Stress knot then trim(order is critical)

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Old 09-06-2019, 10:45 AM
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Yeah I have had problems with tying thin braid to heavy mono or fluoro leaders when tarpon or offshore fishing. The braid is just so thin that it pulls through the mono. I switched to an improved albright and don't have that problem anymore. The FG knot is super strong but too hard to tie to me.
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Old 09-06-2019, 11:17 AM
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My suggestion:

Go to the Charkbait website and get 500 meters of 16-strand Toro Tamer hollow-core 50# braid, $90.

Splice and serve the 40# mono of your choice for the topshot. No knots.
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Old 09-06-2019, 05:42 PM
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all of my offshore 30s & 50s have braid backing & mono topshots & I tie a 30 twist bimini in the braid then with the doubled braid tie a uni to uni. as mentioned above the doubled braid. makes the knots close to eaquel in size. I can honestly say this has never failed on me. on the 30s I use 80# braid to 60# mono & the 50s 100 or 130 braid to 80# mono
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Originally Posted by Timex View Post
all of my offshore 30s & 50s have braid backing & mono topshots & I tie a 30 twist bimini in the braid then with the doubled braid tie a uni to uni. as mentioned above the doubled braid. makes the knots close to eaquel in size. I can honestly say this has never failed on me. on the 30s I use 80# braid to 60# mono & the 50s 100 or 130 braid to 80# mono
You are using some seriously heavy braid. I suspect that is the reason you have had no failures.
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I would definitely go with braid and a mono topshot. The braid will last forever and you're only trashing a short mono topshot each year when you decide to replace it. All my reels are set up this way. I would recommend tying a properly cinched FG knot or spool with hollow core braid like Lone Ono suggested.
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The PR Bobbin Knot can be used to join solid braid to mono and is also a very good serve knot for hollow-core to mono. The only difference is the tag end of the mono is inserted into the hollow core (splice).

In both applications you get 100% line strength and the smallest knot size to pass through the guides. It’s easier to tie than the FG or Bimini and can be done on the water with a little practice.

Anatomically this not a “knot”. It’s a biting hitch because the mono is never turned back on itself.
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Originally Posted by tarpononecharter View Post
You are using some seriously heavy braid. I suspect that is the reason you have had no failures.
I select the braid size that will put approx 600 to 700 yds of braid & 100 to 200 yds mono for a total capacity of 700 to 900 yards

I mostly troll in the canyons and for fish like this i like the heavy braid over the smaller stuff. got this guy on a Ltd 50
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