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taymag 08-25-2019 03:49 PM

Short strikes on larger ballyhoo (first day rigging, went 10/11 on short strikes lol)
 
What are my options on short strikes on larger ballyhoo? I went 10/11 on short strikes today lol, although it was exciting rigging my own ballyhoo finally that were actually getting hit, I need a little direction apparently.

Most of my short strikes were super teethy so I dont think keeping an eye on the lines would have even helped for drop back (I'm alone or with 1 other person usually, so I keep an eye on what I can), with dolphin I think I would see or at least they would give me a quick 2 second run even unhooked so I could drop back

I've tried running my dag at basically none so even the sharpest cuttoff I would hope to hear a quick sounder noise to get over and drop back (kind of worked, but I am losing fish still)

My hooks were too small today I think, 7/0 in pretty big ballyhoo but the cutoffs would have still been too far back 50% of them to even hit a 8/0

I am thinking about bringing open eye 5/0 or 6/0 hooks and threading on the second hook opposite way so the second hook end goes inside the belly (easier and tons of weeds), but they swim soooo nice with single hooks.

I was running 7691 hooks, I dont understand how some people get away with the 7766 hooks that have an even shorter shank

Hopefully someone read some of that at least, thanks

marlin64 08-25-2019 03:58 PM

Are you running running the bigger Ballyhoo for Marlin ? We run mediums for Tuna and smalls for White marlin. Try smaller ballyhoo or put a stinger hook with wire if fishing for Kingfish

taymag 08-25-2019 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by marlin64 (Post 12865824)
Are you running running the bigger Ballyhoo for Marlin ? We run mediums for Tuna and smalls for White marlin. Try smaller ballyhoo or put a stinger hook with wire if fishing for Kingfish

No I mainly troll for wahoo and dolphin, Baitmasters "let me" place my order for a quite a bit of small, sm/medium, medium/large unrigged then called me saying "we really only have larger ones in stock right now" and I just said ok fine send them. I had other issues with them for my first order too but I am waiting for their reply to the other issues before airing out any business anywhere. Long story short I have a lot of larger ballyhoo now lol. That being said, I would love to find a way to get hookup on them though (pulling small/mediums I've been buying rigged recently have just been getting wasted on the small ass barracuda invasion and bonita around here right now)

Wickedfisha 08-25-2019 04:50 PM

If your rigging your own you could try to pre rig the boats and then tie a trace of stiff wire to a nice sized treble hook and then use a rigging needle and run that trace up the anal cavity and out the mouth where you can tie the wire to the hook eye of the J hook. Then one hook goes up the anal hole and the others stick out the sides like wings. Should still swim good. Iv done this rig with larger mullet so I assume it could work for horse Bally

VanW 08-25-2019 04:59 PM

So you had 10 short strikes on 11 baits? What kind of rigs are you using?

taymag 08-25-2019 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by VanW (Post 12866014)
So you had 10 short strikes on 11 baits? What kind of rigs are you using?

I did, I'm using pin rigs with 7/0 3407 hooks which have a pretty long shank, but I dont know that an 8/0 would have even helped other than 2 or 3 were rightttt up on the hook so maybe a size up would have but still a lot short. I don't think this would have been a problem with dolphin but in wahoo or kingfish they usually hit the tail and when I buy pre-rigged ballyhoo for fishing the reefs for wahoo or kings I always buy double hook so I never really realized how far back they hit since everything is mangled when it gets to the boat. The ballyhoo are not horse but they are pretty big, maybe I just need to go up to a 9/0 for overkill to test or maybe my first day of rigging my own was just an odd day

VanW 08-25-2019 05:34 PM

I'd use 9/0 of you're using 34007

taymag 08-25-2019 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by VanW (Post 12866119)
I'd use 9/0 of you're using 34007

34007 and 3407 are identical size right?

Jack Hexter 08-25-2019 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by taymag (Post 12866136)
34007 and 3407 are identical size right?

Yes, they are the same size. The difference is 34007 are stainless, 3407 are Duratin plated


20biminitwist 08-26-2019 04:48 AM

Kingfish and Cuda like to cut the rudder off their prey. Without a stinger your gonna miss most of them. The problem with stingers is you don't want to be dealing with them Mahi or tuna fishing as they are a PITA.

flfJack 08-26-2019 05:55 AM

Bead chain and rigging needle are a good place to start. Simple and effective.

taymag 08-26-2019 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by flfJack (Post 12866948)
Bead chain and rigging needle are a good place to start. Simple and effective.

Where do you get them? Ive seen them occasionally here and there online but they dont have any rating, seems like buying something thats basically 10 barrel swivels put together that dont specify any weight rating is a tough call

PINER_WAHOO 08-26-2019 07:06 AM

try bead rigging one

taymag 08-26-2019 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by PINER_WAHOO (Post 12867198)
try bead rigging one

I think I've read on an old post that you make your own bead rigs, I've never really seen bead rigs made by any reputable brand that have any weight rating, where do you get them?

flfJack 08-26-2019 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by taymag (Post 12867191)
Where do you get them? Ive seen them occasionally here and there online but they dont have any rating, seems like buying something thats basically 10 barrel swivels put together that dont specify any weight rating is a tough call

Florida native in boynton has them. They値l make them to order with whatever hook size you want.

KBH 08-26-2019 09:31 AM

I just got back from the lower keys last week and had the same problem mostly because of small mahi. Switched to all bead rigs and did much better. Also, it's easy to turn the hooks inward when fishing very weedy areas. Makes them almost weedless. I've been using bead rigs since I was a teenager many mango seasons ago and never had one break. Mostly for weeds and for toothy critters like kings and cudas.

Got 5 nice mahi after switching to bead rigs the first day, 10 the second and 15 or so the 3rd trip. Third day out, which I missed, was mostly smaller mahi out about 25 miles and little to no weeds compared to earlier trips.

GRSC 08-26-2019 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by flfJack (Post 12866948)
Bead chain and rigging needle are a good place to start. Simple and effective.

:thumbsup:

Rig hook with wire and run tag end up the anal vent through the mouth so just the bend of the hook is exposed. Lure / Head optional and albright knot to your leader.

taymag 08-26-2019 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by flfJack (Post 12867614)

Florida native in boynton has them. They値l make them to order with whatever hook size you want.

I assume your Jack from the shop, I'm in there all the time, ill stop in this week

flfJack 08-27-2019 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by taymag (Post 12869990)
I assume your Jack from the shop, I'm in there all the time, ill stop in this week

Not that Jack lol but that痴 my name. I知 there as more of a consultant. I told the guys there that someone might come in asking for bead chains. They値l let you know what to get.

taymag 08-27-2019 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by flfJack (Post 12871286)

Not that Jack lol but that痴 my name. I知 there as more of a consultant. I told the guys there that someone might come in asking for bead chains. They値l let you know what to get.

I stopped by earlier today and got some, thanks


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