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Short strikes on larger ballyhoo (first day rigging, went 10/11 on short strikes lol)

Old 08-27-2019, 11:07 AM
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Here are some rigs to help with short strikes:


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Old 08-27-2019, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck Richardson View Post
Here are some rigs to help with short strikes:


How's the bottom one work?
Old 08-27-2019, 12:49 PM
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Here is a link to a youtube video.
https://www.tournamentcable.com/doub...ono-iland-lure
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:50 PM
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When i rig large ballyhoo i use a 9/0 or 10/0 and get the hook as far back as possible. 2nd choice is the chain rig and rigging needle, i use that even on small ones. I've also used a double hook method by using a 9/0 in front and 10/0 in the back. I'm able to slip the 9 hook end through the 10 loop. You put the 2nd hook up through the anal opening to where the first hook comes out and then loop them together.
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Chuck, i like the top rig a lot. It looks like it would work great on weedy days as well. How do you get the hook inside the ballyhoo so far back and with the hook facing up? It looks like a great setup.
Old 08-27-2019, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by garysmo View Post
When i rig large ballyhoo i use a 9/0 or 10/0 and get the hook as far back as possible. 2nd choice is the chain rig and rigging needle, i use that even on small ones. I've also used a double hook method by using a 9/0 in front and 10/0 in the back. I'm able to slip the 9 hook end through the 10 loop. You put the 2nd hook up through the anal opening to where the first hook comes out and then loop them together.
How do you run a skirt with the chain rig? Measure so the chain just exits the mouth? Them attach mono/wire?
Old 08-28-2019, 03:56 AM
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Here is the link to the weedless rig on top.


https://www.tournamentcable.com/weed...-rig-pack-of-3
Old 08-28-2019, 04:43 AM
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What did you have in front of the ballyhoo?
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In front of the double hook rig is an Ilander lure.
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Old 08-28-2019, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by taymag View Post
How do you run a skirt with the chain rig? Measure so the chain just exits the mouth? Them attach mono/wire?
yes, the chain should be just short of the nose of the ballyhoo so you can tie or crimp mono to it with a skirt. There are also some skirts with holes large enough that the chain will fit into it.
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Kings and Cudas....
Old 08-28-2019, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by brdawg2001 View Post
Kings and Cudas....
Well ya, but in your mind its 10 missed wahoo lol. We had a trip like 2-3 weeks back where barracuda wasted like 10 ballyhoo back to back (this was before my short strike situation lol, barracuda don't mind the straight running pre-rigged ballyhoo I guess) so we ran out to 1000 and found a weedline and immediately got hit, another barracuda, was so pissed, I usually dont get many but they've been thickkkk around Boynton.

We ran out yesterday and I didn't get to try any of the new tricks yet, but I did work the hook back another inch or so and did land 3 kings and a bonita (still got short strikes on over 50% of my hits and reeled in the front half), nothing I wanted for the cooler but seems like assuming I can get that hook back just a littttttle farther with a bigger hook, a chain or this cayman crusher style rig ill be golden
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the factory bead rigs may fail and are 2 short- i buy black bead chain and add about 2" xtra of 105# wire (hard( wrapped-np crimped) and then a 9/0 hook
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Originally Posted by Chuck Richardson View Post
In front of the double hook rig is an Ilander lure.
My opinion, for what its worth, is that the large head of the Illander lure is actually what is causing the "short strike". It isn't a short strike at all.

Here is what I posted on another forum a few years ago based on my own observations.

"Never fished stinger hooks . .. . never will. IMHO I don't think they do a thing!

Wahoo don't lazily swim up behind a bait and "NIP" off the tail. They MASH it , Destroy it, attack it with a mouth that is huge when it is opened in attack mode.

The reason short strikes occur, especially with full sized Ilander's, is not due to the the wahoo nipping off the bait right behind the hook. It is actually the result of the HEAD of the Ilander. Stay with me here I used to run charters out of the slip right next to where the black boat docks back in the early 90's.

What happens with lures with larger heads is that the wahoo's mouth closes on said Ilander/ballyhoo combo and the leading edge of his mouth chomps down on a bunch of lure head and hair. The tailing edge of his mouth bites off the ballyhoo a few millimeters behind the hook. Problem is though that the Ilander head is firmly locked in the wahoo's jaw on the leading edge causing a big gap in his face. As the wahoo turns to swim away with his lunch the hook slides right out of the big gap in his mouth caused by the Ilander's head, resulting in what appears to be a ballyhoo that is "nipped" off just behind the hook.

Want proof. I was fishing a couple of weeks ago. Had a savage strike on the left long on a "jag" style head. Big splash and blow up and pulled a little drag. Brand new head, first time in the water. Comes back with a ballyhoo nipped off right behind the hook and lo and behold some huge gashes in the head from the wahoo's bite. Proof positive that he had the whole bait, including my 9/0 hook in his mouth. Can't pull drag when it is just "nipped" off!"

Just my opinion . . . .
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Originally Posted by ebbtideandy View Post
My opinion, for what its worth, is that the large head of the Illander lure is actually what is causing the "short strike". It isn't a short strike at all.

Here is what I posted on another forum a few years ago based on my own observations.

"Never fished stinger hooks . .. . never will. IMHO I don't think they do a thing!

Wahoo don't lazily swim up behind a bait and "NIP" off the tail. They MASH it , Destroy it, attack it with a mouth that is huge when it is opened in attack mode.

The reason short strikes occur, especially with full sized Ilander's, is not due to the the wahoo nipping off the bait right behind the hook. It is actually the result of the HEAD of the Ilander. Stay with me here I used to run charters out of the slip right next to where the black boat docks back in the early 90's.

What happens with lures with larger heads is that the wahoo's mouth closes on said Ilander/ballyhoo combo and the leading edge of his mouth chomps down on a bunch of lure head and hair. The tailing edge of his mouth bites off the ballyhoo a few millimeters behind the hook. Problem is though that the Ilander head is firmly locked in the wahoo's jaw on the leading edge causing a big gap in his face. As the wahoo turns to swim away with his lunch the hook slides right out of the big gap in his mouth caused by the Ilander's head, resulting in what appears to be a ballyhoo that is "nipped" off just behind the hook.

Want proof. I was fishing a couple of weeks ago. Had a savage strike on the left long on a "jag" style head. Big splash and blow up and pulled a little drag. Brand new head, first time in the water. Comes back with a ballyhoo nipped off right behind the hook and lo and behold some huge gashes in the head from the wahoo's bite. Proof positive that he had the whole bait, including my 9/0 hook in his mouth. Can't pull drag when it is just "nipped" off!"

Just my opinion . . . .
Interesting thought, I'll have to check my ilander heads and see if they have marks (I am using new large ones mainly because Baitmasters sent me ballyhoo for blue whale fishing apparently (they called and are hooking me up next week when they start bagging smaller ones next week, I'm not bad mouthing them, great baits). I will throw some smaller heads/skirts on next time and some basic low profile plastic squid skirts to test
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How much less will a naked bally get hit?

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Originally Posted by meritmat View Post
How much less will a naked bally get hit?

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Some say it gets hit more, but it also washes out faster. I think they run straighter (for the noobs) and last way longer with skirts on but if you can run naked and have it look good and keep from washing out I'd have one of those out all day
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Use beads to place hook farther back toward tail of bait by 3/4”. Not much, but that little extra length will surprise you.
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I hate the hooks way forward, so I use a spring like in post 21, Single hook, but what I do is use a second crip to place the put the pin further from the hook. Which of course moves the hook back.

As a side note, I used to use bead chains and found it a pain to rig 20-30 hoo. now I just rig as needed on the boat and only take unrigged hoo. which can be used as cut bait if needed. It has been working out very well for me. You can use any lure in front. but I have started using sea witches, which are cheap and also will not have the problem are the large head as discussed above.

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Originally Posted by highflier1 View Post
I hate the hooks way forward, so I use a spring like in post 21, Single hook, but what I do is use a second crip to place the put the pin further from the hook. Which of course moves the hook back.

As a side note, I used to use bead chains and found it a pain to rig 20-30 hoo. now I just rig as needed on the boat and only take unrigged hoo. which can be used as cut bait if needed. It has been working out very well for me. You can use any lure in front. but I have started using sea witches, which are cheap and also will not have the problem are the large head as discussed above.

My .02
I am going to give that a try... I have some chains but they seem like a pain, the only upside is it gives you something to wrap your monel around since you cant use a pin rig. I loveee these single hook pin rigs after coming from pre-rigged, they swim awesome and I get every bait I put out bit, but man the short strikes are killing me (I think I mentioned it a bunch but I am running XL ballyhoo since thats all they had, thats probably over half my issue). I am going to rig up some longer necks with another crimp after this stupid storm passes

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