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thomasj1107 08-17-2019 03:18 PM

Top shot splice and top shot to leader connection?
 
I am going to set my 16 and 20 visx up with either 80 or 100lb hollow core and 60-80 lb mono. I want to splice the hollow core and mono, I just want to make sure I get the right needles. Are the momoi 60002-60003-60004 needles the correct sizes I would need to do this? Also, is there any reason to not use the momoi hollow core instead of JB? If I don't splice, how do you recommend to join the braid to mono topshot (what knots).

As for tying the top shot to leader, what do you all recommend? A barrel swivel, or a different line to line knot (which one)? I will be using non roller guides.

Any other advice would be appreciated!

sailphish 08-17-2019 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by thomasj1107 (Post 12838095)
I am going to set my 16 and 20 visx up with either 80 or 100lb hollow core and 60-80 lb mono. I want to splice the hollow core and mono, I just want to make sure I get the right needles. Are the momoi 60002-60003-60004 needles the correct sizes I would need to do this? Also, is there any reason to not use the momoi hollow core instead of JB? If I don't splice, how do you recommend to join the braid to mono topshot (what knots).

As for tying the top shot to leader, what do you all recommend? A barrel swivel, or a different line to line knot (which one)? I will be using non roller guides.

Any other advice would be appreciated!

1 - Iím too lazy to look up those needles, but you want the smallest needle that will fit your mono - smallest internal diameter that is bigger than the diameter of your line.

2 - I usually use the FG Knot. Apparently an FG tied with a doubled line using a Bimini is really strong, although I havenít tested this. Albright/ RP work also, and are a bit easier to tie. Some tackle shops (BHP Tackle) sell too shots with braided loops already spliced on. You can tie a Bimini in your braid, then connect just like you would a wind-on leader.

3 - Ball bearing swivel for leader to line. This prevents line twist. Usually I use a snap swivel of o plan on changing out lures. Sometimes just a small barrel swivel if I am tryouts be stealthy.

thomasj1107 08-17-2019 07:33 PM

If you don't splice the mono topshot to the braid, what other options are there? If you do a bimini in braid, do you also tie a bimini for the mono, it would be pretty excessive to pass 100 yds of line through the loop to do a loop to loop, right?

thomasj1107 08-17-2019 08:35 PM

Thanks for the reply. Im trying to figure out what exactly people are doing when they do their topshot to bracking connection with a loop to loop....are you pulling 100 yds plus through the loop to make that connection?

thomasj1107 08-17-2019 10:22 PM


Originally Posted by Lone Ono (Post 12838825)
https://www.thehulltruth.com/sportfi...=#post11107986

The Tackle Direct video is a splice followed by a PR Bobbin Knot for a serve. The only difference from the PR Bobbin knot is the tag end of mono is not slid up into the braid.

For hollow core braid the splice & serve is my preference. For solid core braid you are limited to the PR Bobbin knot portion only.

Both the serve in the video and the PR Bobbin knot are the same as the Benjamin knot which is a good knot for your terminal connection on the mono. If you learn one you can tie all three.

What bobbin do you use? Only one I can find is the 60 dollar shimano bobbin

BACKTOTHESEA 08-18-2019 03:41 AM

Topshot to braid a Bristol to Bimini is simple and extremely strong. Leaders are already attached to my bars, chuggers, etc so it is attached with a snap swivel. I use krocs.

TheSweetDee 08-18-2019 03:52 AM


Originally Posted by thomasj1107 (Post 12838774)
Thanks for the reply. Im trying to figure out what exactly people are doing when they do their topshot to bracking connection with a loop to loop....are you pulling 100 yds plus through the loop to make that connection?

Keep the top shot coiled up with a rubber band and your loop in the Bimini large enough to pass it through.

andosan 08-18-2019 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by thomasj1107 (Post 12838774)
Thanks for the reply. Im trying to figure out what exactly people are doing when they do their topshot to bracking connection with a loop to loop....are you pulling 100 yds plus through the loop to make that connection?

Simple - roll up the leader into about a 4Ē coil, keep it together with rubber bands, twist ties or whatever, then use that to pass through the loop.

critt77matt 08-18-2019 05:51 AM

Power pro makes a kit, that is supposed to have everything you need, itís $99.
daho makes the needles.

ranmar850 08-18-2019 07:28 AM

Doubled over single strand wire works fine for this, you can do it without a needle. Here's one video on Yotube, there are others


Texasblue 08-18-2019 11:12 AM

Let me give this a stab with my 2 cents to address a few of the topics:

1. Needles are DaHo

2. 80lb mono will splice into 80lb Momoi hollow core with a 80-100 threading needle

NOTE: In general, different "brands" of hollow core have ranges of compatibility with mono. In other words, not all hollow size match across brands. Some tighter, some smoother etc. I would suggest not getting bogged down in that. Instead see above #2

3. The finishing knot in the Tackle Direct Video is a Uni reversed upon itself. Look at 7:28 in the video

4. I didn't see a reference to how long your top shot would be? With that in mind, just know that if you lose a critical amount of line on the top shot at sea, you will have a heck of time trying to serve/whip a new top shot on your boat. Hence the use of pre-made top shots and wind-ons.

5. In your question on post #5, see following video for visual of loop-to-loop connection (there are many on YouTube):

6. I wouldn't do a Bimini in the hollow core when you can splice a loop. If you're using hollow core as your backing and go the route of loop to loop,here is a vid (there are many on YouTube) on splicing a loop with a reverse latch needle in your hollow core at 100%:

7. If you go the route of knots, as a practical issue, braid would be less expensive than hollow core for backing if you will not do any splicing

Just as a disclaimer of sorts, everyone has their preferred methods of these connections, purpose etc. To each his. Use the one that you feel is most efficient and you can manage best.

thomasj1107 08-18-2019 07:52 PM

Thank you all for the great responses! I appreciate it

thomasj1107 08-18-2019 10:53 PM

Is there any reason to not use the momoi hollow core that is about 50% of the price of the JB hollow core?

mouse4x4 08-19-2019 06:56 AM

If doing top shots I would never serve them kinda defeats the entire purpose of having braid backing and a top shot. Make everything the same for the class rods your using and have replaceable too shots on the fly with loop to loop connections.

critt77matt 08-19-2019 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by mouse4x4 (Post 12842385)
If doing top shots I would never serve them kinda defeats the entire purpose of having braid backing and a top shot. Make everything the same for the class rods your using and have replaceable too shots on the fly with loop to loop connections.

interesting seems like other threads say to serve. However, i can see the benefit of the loop to loop. Are you loosing large portions of your top shot routinely?

rbmedic75 08-19-2019 01:06 PM

Not to steal the thread but similar topic question. Is it ok to serve 100 lb Momoi mono into 100 lb hollow braid or is general rule to drop down in the size of mono? Say 100 lb braid to 80 lb mono?

Texasblue 08-19-2019 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by rbmedic75 (Post 12843913)
Not to steal the thread but similar topic question. Is it ok to serve 100 lb Momoi mono into 100 lb hollow braid or is general rule to drop down in the size of mono? Say 100 lb braid to 80 lb mono?

Rb,
This really depends upon the brand hollow core. Different brands have different feel, grip, smoothness etc.

Example: 80lb Momoi mono will serve well into 80lb Momoi Hollow Core.

In general? Slippery slope, but I'd start with trying to match similar lb test.

rbmedic75 08-19-2019 01:18 PM

Was planning to use Momoi diamond hollow core and Momoi mono so same brand just wasn’t sure if I should still step down to 80 mono for the 100 hollow core or if the 100-100 is preferred since same brand. I guess my concern/question is if the 100 lb mono is to big fo rthe 100 lb hollow core (of same brand) Ive seen some say the big step up in the braid where the mono begins is a fail point. Is this better resolved by dropping down in mono size? I guess not a big difference between the 100 lb mono at 1.00mm and the 80- lb at 0.90 so maybe i'm over thinking it.

jdiddy101 08-19-2019 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by mouse4x4 (Post 12842385)
If doing top shots I would never serve them kinda defeats the entire purpose of having braid backing and a top shot. Make everything the same for the class rods your using and have replaceable too shots on the fly with loop to loop connections.

Even if doing loop to loop you would still make the wind-on mono with a short piece of hollow core served and with loop. That way you are doing a loop to loop connection that is relatively small compared to a bimini in 100lb mono. They are easy to change out but honestly with a 100yd top shot and then the leader it is unlikely that you will need to change out on the water. I change mine out 2 or 3 times a year and serve the mono directly to the hollow core.

I would take Momoi hollow core over JB all day long.

thomasj1107 08-23-2019 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by mouse4x4 (Post 12842385)
If doing top shots I would never serve them kinda defeats the entire purpose of having braid backing and a top shot. Make everything the same for the class rods your using and have replaceable too shots on the fly with loop to loop connections.

I donít understand how you would be replacing the topshot on the fly... if you have a loop to loop and say your top shot happened to break 10 ft below the connection, isnít that loop to loop knot too tight to get out at that point? So youíd have to either cut above the knot in the hollow core and then tie another loop to put another loop to loop on, or cut splice a loop into the hollow core? Or am I missing something?


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