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Old 08-23-2019, 10:36 AM
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I have no experience in this but have seen hundreds of post and people say the loop to loop are very easy to pick at and get to come undone and simply loop the new one on
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Old 08-23-2019, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by thomasj1107 View Post


I donít understand how you would be replacing the topshot on the fly... if you have a loop to loop and say your top shot happened to break 10 ft below the connection, isnít that loop to loop knot too tight to get out at that point? So youíd have to either cut above the knot in the hollow core and then tie another loop to put another loop to loop on, or cut splice a loop into the hollow core? Or am I missing something?
You can disconnect them very easily. You just pull the two sides of one of the loops straight and the catspaw will loosen up. I have changed them on the boat in about 5 minutes.
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Old 08-26-2019, 05:25 AM
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Great info, thank you tht
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Old 08-26-2019, 05:42 AM
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I have not tried hollow core yet but plan to in the future with some 200# setups for giant bluefin

I have however been useing 80 to 150 # power pro for backing & mono topshots for 15+ years & never a mono to braid connection failure . I double the braid with a 30 twist bimini then tie a uni to uni braid to mono the doubled braid makes the two knots very similar in size & this has worked well for me over the years
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Old 08-28-2019, 01:24 PM
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If you need hollow splicing needles these work fine. You will need to figure out diameter or just order 10 of each for $5 TOTAL delivered. Dull the point a little. 14 or 16 is 80 mono I think. If too big smash it a little.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/10-lot-12-1...8vt5Lb3KiSx7vQ

Edit to add: I have 125 braid backing with 14 turn bimini which has proven to be better than more turns in studies. I put a double splice dacron loop on the 125 mono topshot and connect with a 2 turn catspaw. The other end of the topshot is also a dacron loop splice. 2 turn catspaw to the window leader.

Double slice instructions.

https://www.tournamentcable.com/blog...plice-wind-on/

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Old 08-28-2019, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BACKTOTHESEA View Post
Topshot to braid a Bristol to Bimini is simple and extremely strong. Leaders are already attached to my bars, chuggers, etc so it is attached with a snap swivel. I use krocs.
^^^^^ This
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Old 08-30-2019, 08:40 AM
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Back to the page ranking knot for a moment.
it seems that a lot of folks shy away from this knot because of fear of difficulties and/or fear of the bobbin.
both are simple obstacles and are not worth having people discount this valuable addition to your rigging arsenal.
I use this knot exclusively to connect topshot to braid for everything. Black Sea bass to bluefin and everything in between.

This is not a difficult knot to tie. And the Bobbin is basically a non-issue in my mind.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Anglerhaus-...wAAOSwwj5b9Glp

This simple fly tying Bobbin will do the job just fine, Absolutely no need for anything more expensive.

youll just need to come up with a metal spool of some sort that had a little weight.
I simply used a piece of solid aluminum pipe.( I also made my own bobbin, but they are so cheap it’s hardly worth the effort.)
Many different things would work.

Im not going to get into a tutorial on tying this knot ,as there are countless YouTube videos to show you how.
I have also done some experiments on just how short you can make this knot without it failing. You might be surprised, especially with lighter braid.
I have never had one of these knots fail.

do yourselves a favor and learn how to tie this knot.
it is not difficult and you do not need an expensive bobbin.


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This is the piece of aluminum I use,several other things come to mind that are easily made and that would work.
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These are the bobbins , have probably tied hundreds of PR knots with these.
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:09 PM
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So with your 50 or 100 yd top shot, if you do a loop splice in your main line and then make wind on leaders, can you use the same hollow core for creating the loop on the wind on leader (short segments with the mono spliced in? Or do you just tie a loop into your mono?

For the mono to leader connection do you guys use a short leader of 6-10 feet that you donít wind through your rod tip? Or what?
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I have tried everything and my 2 cents here.
if you have money,
- go with ready made topshots and hollow core from a good source like texasblue or bhp tackle. You can swap them for lighter or heavier setups on the boat more or less easily.
if you have time and experience make the topshots home it is not that difficult.
OR if you have hollow core but donít want to spend on ready topshots
- splice the mono into the hollow and serve with a bobbin or like texasblue showed in the tackle direct video. Remember that you are limited with the mono size in this case.

At this point I will add that all of my trolling and chunking setups are hollow to mono with pre made topshots or splices. No problems yet and hollow is easier on hands. I have used and still using jerry brown but changed recently to momoi gen 3. Momoi is fine at the moment, donít have enough miles to make a real comparision.

Now, if you have solid braid:

best knot id PR followed by FG for me. It is difficult to tie properly on the rocking boat but you can do it.
In madascar the guides are using exclusively FG for everything and it worked very well from jigging to marlin fishing. No brreaks.
in Dubai and Oman for GT fishing the guides are using the sleeping beauty and it worked very well without breaks too.

I use mostly FG with my braid to mono connections. If I tie everything at home then PR not only because it might be stronger but I like to tie a beautiful knot
I also use the modified bristol knot sometimes.

I don't think that you can break a properly made knot with the drags on strike or even at full. Hence I like to use mostly a streamlined connection hollow to mono with exchangeable topshots. It is easy on guides and rollers and knowing that it is a 100 % connection gives me a a very good feeling. I have accurate bv 1000s with 600 yard of momoi hollow and 200 yards of 80 mono sliced and served. At the same time spares of different weight and length wind on top-shots for just in case.

I also can FG and sleeping beauty knot in case.
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Old 09-05-2019, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by tayfunmeric View Post
I have tried everything and my 2 cents here.
if you have money,
- go with ready made topshots and hollow core from a good source like texasblue or bhp tackle. You can swap them for lighter or heavier setups on the boat more or less easily.
if you have time and experience make the topshots home it is not that difficult.
OR if you have hollow core but donít want to spend on ready topshots
- splice the mono into the hollow and serve with a bobbin or like texasblue showed in the tackle direct video. Remember that you are limited with the mono size in this case.

At this point I will add that all of my trolling and chunking setups are hollow to mono with pre made topshots or splices. No problems yet and hollow is easier on hands. I have used and still using jerry brown but changed recently to momoi gen 3. Momoi is fine at the moment, donít have enough miles to make a real comparision.

Now, if you have solid braid:

best knot id PR followed by FG for me. It is difficult to tie properly on the rocking boat but you can do it.
In madascar the guides are using exclusively FG for everything and it worked very well from jigging to marlin fishing. No brreaks.
in Dubai and Oman for GT fishing the guides are using the sleeping beauty and it worked very well without breaks too.

I use mostly FG with my braid to mono connections. If I tie everything at home then PR not only because it might be stronger but I like to tie a beautiful knot
I also use the modified bristol knot sometimes.

I don't think that you can break a properly made knot with the drags on strike or even at full. Hence I like to use mostly a streamlined connection hollow to mono with exchangeable topshots. It is easy on guides and rollers and knowing that it is a 100 % connection gives me a a very good feeling. I have accurate bv 1000s with 600 yard of momoi hollow and 200 yards of 80 mono sliced and served. At the same time spares of different weight and length wind on top-shots for just in case.

I also can FG and sleeping beauty knot in case.
Thanks for the reply. Iím going to just do a loop to loop connection for the top shot, but from the top shot to a fluoro leader, what do you all use? A barrel swivel and a shorter leader that you donít run through the guides or something else?
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Old 09-06-2019, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by thomasj1107 View Post


Thanks for the reply. Iím going to just do a loop to loop connection for the top shot, but from the top shot to a fluoro leader, what do you all use? A barrel swivel and a shorter leader that you donít run through the guides or something else?
Hi, I used to use snap swivels before now I am using spro swivels and crimp or knot for mono & leader to it. I am still using snap swivels though.

- Top shot to Double bearing snap swivel to spreader bars, daisy chains and teaser bird only
- Top shot to spro swivel for single lures and deepp diving plugs
- Top shot to spro or ball bearing swivels for chunking hooks. I use ringed or swivelled hooks. Sometimes I directly connect hook to the topshot.

I use mostly nicopress sleeves in black and their crimping tool. They are small, black and strong. Previously I used jinkai crimps and was very happy with them to. I am using them also for some applications where stealth is not so important.

leader length for trolling is from 6 to 8 foot being 6 foot mostly. For chunking 10 to 15 foot.

According to suggestion from a member here I am also putting 3 or 4Ē squid skirt with a small silicon bead on the swivels. I am trying not to reel the swivel through the guides. Happened sometimes and spro did well through the guides.

For reeling in the leader on the rod, I first put the hook on the base of the ring and spool the leader on the reel side and then reel the slack line.

Hope this is helpful.
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Originally Posted by tayfunmeric View Post
I have tried everything and my 2 cents here.
if you have money,
- go with ready made topshots and hollow core from a good source like texasblue or bhp tackle. You can swap them for lighter or heavier setups on the boat more or less easily.
if you have time and experience make the topshots home it is not that difficult.
OR if you have hollow core but donít want to spend on ready topshots
- splice the mono into the hollow and serve with a bobbin or like texasblue showed in the tackle direct video. Remember that you are limited with the mono size in this case.

At this point I will add that all of my trolling and chunking setups are hollow to mono with pre made topshots or splices. No problems yet and hollow is easier on hands. I have used and still using jerry brown but changed recently to momoi gen 3. Momoi is fine at the moment, donít have enough miles to make a real comparision.

Now, if you have solid braid:

best knot id PR followed by FG for me. It is difficult to tie properly on the rocking boat but you can do it.
In madascar the guides are using exclusively FG for everything and it worked very well from jigging to marlin fishing. No brreaks.
in Dubai and Oman for GT fishing the guides are using the sleeping beauty and it worked very well without breaks too.

I use mostly FG with my braid to mono connections. If I tie everything at home then PR not only because it might be stronger but I like to tie a beautiful knot
I also use the modified bristol knot sometimes.

I don't think that you can break a properly made knot with the drags on strike or even at full. Hence I like to use mostly a streamlined connection hollow to mono with exchangeable topshots. It is easy on guides and rollers and knowing that it is a 100 % connection gives me a a very good feeling. I have accurate bv 1000s with 600 yard of momoi hollow and 200 yards of 80 mono sliced and served. At the same time spares of different weight and length wind on top-shots for just in case.

I also can FG and sleeping beauty knot in case.
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