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Old 08-12-2019, 12:02 PM
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What Van said.



Had this discussion with the offshore tackle shop in my area. I would regard them as pretty knowledgeable and good - I definitely listen and consider what they recommend. I showed them this picture and had a discussion with them about converting my Yo-zuri's and DTX's to mono. They advised:
  • 200-300 mono is a good approach - avoid the thimble - not really needed
  • For the DTX you could go straight to the split ring with a knot (Uni or nail knot) or crimp
  • For the Yo-Zuri consider adding a split ring and attaching like above - or - put some chaff tubing and crimp

Seemed like it should be put into this discussion for consideration, thoughts?
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Old 08-12-2019, 01:03 PM
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Find a better tackle shop? Or at least one that has a thimble to install.

The swimming action of the Bonita is fierce, even at low speed. I’ve run cable, solid wire and every type of chafe tube known to man to the point of failure. I’ve also run the cheap nylon thimbles to the point of failure.

A thimble costs maybe $0.30, I can’t imagine why a “good” tackle shop would advise against it. Split rings suck, and the cable harnesses with McMahon clips aren’t any better.
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Old 08-12-2019, 01:25 PM
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I get it, you have success with your set up.

trust me, these guys have all the thimbles and gear, they sell mostly tuna, wahoo gear and are anglers and tournament guys as well. They would have sold me and made up the thimble if I asked them, trust me. They just have a different view point.
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I see the problem, there’s a big sappy slug of wahoo slime on the left-hand side of the thimble from last Wednesday’s fish, my bad.

Seriously, for the Marauder or Bonita the thimble is the sleekest, most durable, strongest least visible method of connection. Battle tested for decades. I HST the lure in the picture up 20 knots, I was doing 16 knots last week when it took that fish.

I don’t know a good system for the DTX Minnow, I’m usually best off when I forget them in my truck.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DarcizzleOffshore View Post
Just switched all our HST lures over to 200' mono, mostly with short trace of cable under the skirt, mono out. Andy at XGen said it was a good idea too. We did 30-35' of 200' mono to act as shock leader too eliminating another big snap swivel connection as well. Will be out all week.
It worked! Landed a 30lb out of BBI today.
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:22 AM
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Pictures or it didn’t happen.
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Old 08-14-2019, 12:16 PM
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Pictures or it didn’t happen.
I'm camera shy.
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Old 08-14-2019, 04:41 PM
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Darcizzle, did you run the cable a short distance out the nose like the pic in post #17 or did you do what I think you said and bury the cable inside the lure? Am I correct that you are using the cable at all to prevent biteoff mid lure?

Also, can someone tell me what size thimble would work best with 250# mono?
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Old 08-14-2019, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tsunami7 View Post
Had this discussion with the offshore tackle shop in my area. I would regard them as pretty knowledgeable and good - I definitely listen and consider what they recommend. I showed them this picture and had a discussion with them about converting my Yo-zuri's and DTX's to mono. They advised:
  • 200-300 mono is a good approach - avoid the thimble - not really needed
  • For the DTX you could go straight to the split ring with a knot (Uni or nail knot) or crimp
  • For the Yo-Zuri consider adding a split ring and attaching like above - or - put some chaff tubing and crimp

Seemed like it should be put into this discussion for consideration, thoughts?
That tackle shop is full of it.... if you want to lose Bonitas like its going out of style, run them without a thimble - regardless of leader type..

I've recently tied 100lb flouro to the split ring of a DTX 165 Gen2 and will be keeping a VERY close eye on it for abrasion.
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Old 08-14-2019, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by splais View Post
Also, can someone tell me what size thimble would work best with 250# mono?
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Lots of manufacturers out there but 250# mono would typically be the small size. AFW lists a “small” as 2.0 mm.
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Old 08-15-2019, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by splais View Post
Darcizzle, did you run the cable a short distance out the nose like the pic in post #17 or did you do what I think you said and bury the cable inside the lure? Am I correct that you are using the cable at all to prevent biteoff mid lure?

Also, can someone tell me what size thimble would work best with 250# mono?
thanks
short piece of cable under the skirt, mono coming out the nose of the lure.
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Old 08-15-2019, 05:14 AM
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please excuse all the questions, but this is a great thread with much to think about.

On my lures, most of them have double hook harnesses made with cable and shrink wrap covers that extend all the way up to nose so no need for additional cable (hope I said that right). I do have some lures with sections of beads and mono between hook and skirt head that I guess could get bit off.

Question: when you are putting that short piece of cable from hook to nose under the skirt, how are you joining the cable and mono? Only thing I can think to do is crimp a loop to loop connection.
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Old 08-15-2019, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by splais View Post
please excuse all the questions, but this is a great thread with much to think about.
Question: when you are putting that short piece of cable from hook to nose under the skirt, how are you joining the cable and mono? Only thing I can think to do is crimp a loop to loop connection.
I use an Owner weldless ring, cheap plastic thimble or a wind-on swivel in between cable and mono.

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I want to be very clear on this that most of you serious Wahoo folks are the experts and "above my pay grade".
This photo is just for illustration for rigging (Bonitas) I've been asked for in past selling Bonitas. When we fished them we always used the cable and McMahon Swivel but we didnt fish for the them to the extent some of you do.

Lone Ono correct me if Im wrong but you are also VERY motivated to use mono by virtue of your ultra clear water?



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Originally Posted by Texasblue View Post
I want to be very clear on this that most of you serious Wahoo folks are the experts and "above my pay grade".
This photo is just for illustration for rigging I've been asked for in past selling Bonitas. When we fished them we always used the cable and McMahon Swivel but we didnt fish for the them to the extent some of you do.

Lone Ono correct me if Im wrong but you are also VERY motivated to use mono by virtue of your ultra clear water?


I received them today Doug. Look amazing! The shock leaders too!!! Nice job and thank you
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:46 PM
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I followed Lone Ono’s advice and switched one of my braids over to mono, I also switched to trebles. It was hit all afternoon and only 1 got off. Nothing large to write home about but it was the only lure in the spread seeing action. The others were rigged with 400lb stainless strand. I plan to drop the trebles down a few sizes and can’t wait for Wahoo season this coming winter...

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Old 08-15-2019, 05:12 PM
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TB, nice rigging all of them.

I’m motivated by anything that increases the number of strikes I get.

I used the McMahon swivel bridles before I started HST but I wouldn’t do it now because I don’t have any marauders or bonitas set up for slow troll. I prefer minimalist rigging for HST to keep the drag down.

If I want 100% tooth proof I could put on 4’ of cable with the thimble. I could drag it an entire season and not get a single strike so no chance of a bite-off. I attribute that to clear water but the Bahamas guys get away with it so I’m not sure. I can get away with a few inches of cable or wire in front of anything without compromising the productivity. The largest wahoo I ever caught had about 6” rows of teeth. I’d rather loose an occasional lure than miss strikes so 6” of tooth-proof from the back of the hook is all I feel I need.

Using the marauders or bonitas for HST I prefer the direct mono connection with the thimble. The mono is my shock leader so there are no other connections or hardware between the trolling sinker lure. For me this is the lowest visibility and most hydrodynamic rigging I can come up with. The hard-body lures don’t have the problem of the lure sliding up the leader and the hooks on the marauder and bonita are far enough back to prevent bite-offs from the fish on the wire.

It may be just me but I’d rather lose a lure occasionally than lose the opportunity to lose a lure routinely.
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I rigged up two high speed trolling lures as pictured in post #17 I was assembling, but using cable and having it sticking about 3" out nose of lure. Crimped on 30 feet of 250# mono as shock leader. I got to admit I really like this setup. It is so clean and a lot less for the fish to see. Won't be able to try it out until Thursday. Hope it works cause I'd like to do this to all of them.

PS: I'm wondering if it is worth the extra effort to bury the mono connection inside the lure or the fish will never notice that short piece of cable out the nose.

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Originally Posted by splais View Post
I rigged up two high speed trolling lures as pictured in post #17.

PS: I'm wondering if it is worth the extra effort to bury the mono connection inside the lure or the fish will never notice that short piece of cable out the nose.
Does the front end look a little like this?



If so you should probably change it out because no wahoo ever took a whack at something that looks like that.
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