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Old 08-06-2019, 10:12 AM
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SWORD BUOY ROD -- Do it yourself buoy?

I suffer from "let's try to make it ourselves" complex so gave this a whack. It's nice to save some money and I only sleep an hour each day so I had the "extra time". Respectfully, I totally understand that lots of folks do not have the time and so the convenience to buy one rules the day. I only offer this up for folks who might want to see what others do as a solution. As always, just willing to share any tidbit if it helps anyone.

This was mighty easy to do.
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- Crab trap buoy
- Shown is a 2 piece with 3/4 and 1/2” PVC and cotter pin mailed it to a fishing buddy.
- Secure the PVC. It's already matched pretty snug but I notched cuts in the PVC and used a construction adhesive.
- Nylon pennant flag held in place with zip ties through drilled holes in PVC. (8x15 or 13x18 are standard sizes)
- Left a few inches of PVC and added stainless screw at bottom to hold the long-line clip


You can make them as long as what's practical for you. Mine is approx. 45" overall.

Can be seen from quite a distance for location (and any movement) and if line goes slack it lays down. Works like a charm.

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Old 08-06-2019, 10:20 AM
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Awesome.

My question is: How do you deploy the buoy rod lol. I still can't figure out how guys run two daytime lines.
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Old 08-06-2019, 12:42 PM
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Let one out until it hits bottom, attach the bout and let it drop back another few hundred yards. Then drop the rod that you will be trying to stay on bottom with. the idea is one is deep, but off the bottom a bit (blow back in the braid causing it to rise some) and the other it dead ass on the bottom.
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Just FYI, we never have one on the bottom. We actively fish one rod/bait the usual approx 100-150ft off bottom (sometimes less just to move bait around).

The buoy rod (buoy) is back a distance and suspended off bottom as well but shallower to cover more of the water column.

No doubt, folks have varying technique.
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Old 08-06-2019, 01:25 PM
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You can either deploy the buoy before you let out your main rod getting it way out there then doing your normal deploy. Or you can slowly creep it out after you drop your main rod. You can I guess technically fish two buoy rods like this so 3 lines total. Buoys look good, the flag indicating vertical is a nice addition.

My question is how do you only sleep an hour a night haha
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Old 08-06-2019, 05:20 PM
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Think I'm gonna give this a shot.
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Doug - when are you going to start selling them at BAT?
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Doug - when are you going to start selling them at BAT?
Thanks for that thought. Didnt intend to. Just trying share.
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Originally Posted by Texasblue View Post
Just FYI, we never have one on the bottom. We actively fish one rod/bait the usual approx 100-150ft off bottom (sometimes less just to move bait around).

The buoy rod (buoy) is back a distance and suspended off bottom as well but shallower to cover more of the water column.

No doubt, folks have varying technique.
Appreciate the info. I did it for the first time and that's how we did it. Let the tip line bump bottom, then crank up 100'-150' feet. It's a wild type of fishing. First drop, 30 seconds of fishing we had a bite. It ended up being a 120# or so bigeye. Next drop, same thing, lost the fish though. We were just discussing the buoy rod on that trip. We were having a hard time imagining fishing two lines.

I'm looking to start acquiring the hardware to do it on my own boat.


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Originally Posted by HookMeUpII View Post
Awesome.

My question is: How do you deploy the buoy rod lol. I still can't figure out how guys run two daytime lines.
It very much depends on how much current you are fishing in. In a lot of current you put the buoy rod out second after you've made your turn. If there's very little current you put the buoy rod out first. I would definitely concentrate on mastering fishing 1 rod before you attempt to fish two. The majority of your fish will come on the tip rod anyhow.
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Originally Posted by hamma job View Post
It very much depends on how much current you are fishing in. In a lot of current you put the buoy rod out second after you've made your turn. If there's very little current you put the buoy rod out first. I would definitely concentrate on mastering fishing 1 rod before you attempt to fish two. The majority of your fish will come on the tip rod anyhow.
With how it's been my first time fishing, I agree. I don't even see a point to a buoy rod. Here off NJ a 1 kt drift is considered fast on most days we fish. The day we were out we were drifting 1.2 kts and we had no problem with 5 lbs of lead.
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Nice one ! Im going to use this buoy for my second rod .
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Up here in Mid Atlanic the buoy rod is the money rod a lot of days. We fish 2 buoys and a tip rod, yup 3 rods. My last 3 trips we have killed 4 sword and a big eye. 3 sword and big eye were on the buoy, 1 sword on tip rod. I wouldn’t leave home without it. Some days it’s all tip bites, some all buoy bites, others it’s 50/50. Last Saturday we went 1-3 on swords, all buoy bites. The actual buoy takes some trial and error engineering. I think I’m on version 9.0. The amount of pvc above and below come into play along with shape and size of buoys, and sinker weight. The buoy needs to stand up and not wobble in the waves, but lay flat with no sinker weight. You can just snap a float on and hope for the best, but to fish it productively you need to be able to read it nearly as much as the tip rod.
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Usually set of swords at night, but want to get into the daytime swords (northeast) way more, what is the main difference between a buoy rod and off the tip. Is it just setting it out away from the boat closer to the bottom and fish it with no resistance? Could be a dumb question, sorry
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The buoy is just way to separate lines. Buoy clips on premade loops at different depths on the line. Tip is just off rod tip bounced off bottom 100’. The presentation of buoy rod is different and produces better some days even fished same depth as tip rod. We try to set our buoy rods 2 &400 off bottom with tip rod around 100’
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Originally Posted by Birddog3 View Post
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The buoy is just way to separate lines. Buoy clips on premade loops at different depths on the line. Tip is just off rod tip bounced off bottom 100’. The presentation of buoy rod is different and produces better some days even fished same depth as tip rod. We try to set our buoy rods 2 &400 off bottom with tip rod around 100’
Im with you, I was wondering if the presentation was different at all, I know its tricky to see the rod being hit and more/less weight and the buoys will lay on its side if proper. Appreciate it, definitely want to start getting into daytime swords, thank you
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Rhody,
Some guys DO fish 2 lines conventional but, IMHO, I'd rather not gamble with a tangle (cluster) etc.

I think Birddog3 gave a good summary
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Hi, Doug. Hope all is well.

So, how do you know where to place to buoy on the mainline, since the depth of your drop will vary? Do you whip a loop onto the mainline as you're deploying it?
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Originally Posted by Tuna Guitar View Post
Hi, Doug. Hope all is well.


So, how do you know where to place to buoy on the mainline, since the depth of your drop will vary? Do you whip a loop onto the mainline as you're deploying it?
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I make and use "buoy wind-on leaders" to use at given depths. Essentially a 14 foot piece of mono with loops at both ends and wax loop in middle for long-line clip/weight. Literally measure out the length on the mainline where you want it/them.
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Originally Posted by Tuna Guitar View Post
Hi, Doug. Hope all is well.

So, how do you know where to place to buoy on the mainline, since the depth of your drop will vary? Do you whip a loop onto the mainline as you're deploying it?

I set up a Penn 70 as a buoy reel. I whipped floss at 1300' and 1000'. I have a Reel Crankie to reel in the line.
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