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Old 07-02-2019, 03:45 PM
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I have 4 TLD 25's that will be used for light trolling. Dolphin, Kings or whatever. Two of the reals have 600 yds of 30 lb Momoi, and the other two have 450 yds of 40 lb. Momoi.
With the reels in my hand with no rod, I filled a gal Milk jug to the top with water and tied the line to the jug handle. I then lifted the jug and adjusted the Strik Drag until I could just lift the jug off the floor.
Does this sound about right?
Fairly new to trolling and conventional reels.
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Old 07-02-2019, 03:59 PM
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If 8 lbs of drag is what you wanted? I always set my drags with the rod/reel dont know if it matters though?
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Old 07-02-2019, 04:10 PM
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I have no idea what I want the drag set at.
I don't have a scale, but I know a gal. Of water weighs 8.34 lbs and a milk jug full to the brim is probably a little more than a gal.
So maybe closer to 9 lbs?
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Old 07-02-2019, 04:11 PM
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That's not going to give you a true drag setting. You have to mount the reel on the rod and run the line thru the guides and then lift. For the 40# line, I'd set it at 10-12# and for the 30# line I'd set it at 8-9#. (25 -33% of breaking strength of line). Your gallon of water weights 8.3# so you are close, but that is the straight pull from the reel. It will increase when you run the line thru the guides. Also, I'd warm the drag up by pulling it and winding the line back on the reel several times before testing/setting the drag. Your technique so that you can just lift the weight off the floor is correct.
There is nothing that says you have to set the drag that high or fight the fish holding 10#'s. 10# is an awful lot of drag for dolphin and kingfish. You can set the strike drag at the recommended setting and then fight the fish at a little less drag unless it needs that much.
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Thank you sir
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Old 07-02-2019, 05:15 PM
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Having a standard drag setting based on the pound test of the line doesn't make sense to me. It needs to be changed based on what you're fishing for. Mahi and tuna, I use maybe 5 pounds of drag as they have softer mouths and the hook doesn't need much force to set. For wahoo or kings I do maybe 10 pounds as they have harder mouths to drive a hook into. Definitely need to put the reel on a rod to test the drag.
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Old 07-02-2019, 05:19 PM
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30% of line strength is fine for normal fishing.
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Old 07-02-2019, 05:22 PM
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Don't "lift" to set a drag if you are trolling. Most of the fight is done relatively parallel to the surface of the water. Buy a $20 scale, put the rod in a holder, and use an angle relative to where your lure would be. WHy on earth you would set a drag vertically for fish you will be fighting horizontally.
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Old 07-02-2019, 06:15 PM
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As mentioned above I would set your strike drag a little lighter for mahi and kings unless there is chance of a stray marlin or large tuna. Problem is that if you set it light at strike you will also have a lower sunset drag. You cant change that easily during a fight. Fine unless you have risk of a large fish. One third of line weight pulled over a bent rod with warmed drag is a good match for most trolling reels and I would be inclined to set them like that. Then put a little tape to show where the lever should be for say 6lb drag and run the reels at that setting knowing that you can lift the drag to 10lb at strike or a full sunset level if needed.
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Setting strike from 1/4 to 1/3 of the line strength is just a ballpark recommendation that ideally you shouldn't exceed. I have 80lb braid on several lever drags. Does this mean I should be fishing with 20-25lbs od drag at strike??? Of course not.....

I set my drags based on what I'm fishing for. When I'm king fishing I set my drags at 3lbs at strike which is around 6lbs at full. When bottom fishing I set my drags based on the leader I am using. If using 30lb leader I set my full drag to 20lbs. If using 40lb leader I'll set my full drag 25-30lbs. 10lbs is a lot of drag for mahis and kings, a lot of people bottom fish with 10lbs of drag. I also set my drag with the reel on the rod in a rod holder with a bend in the rod (real-world conditions).

I would also buy a scale (they're not that expensive and you can weigh fish with it also) and set your drag with it. I would set it around 5-6lbs at strike OR as mentioned you could set it at 1/4-1/3 line strength then back off of strike a little when fighting the fish.

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Old 07-03-2019, 06:34 AM
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It depends...I set my 25's w 30# line at 10# for dolphin bc I am using Super strong hooks in my bally and they are bigger in diameter.
U can always back off during the fight which I do especially w a bigger fish near the boat.
When live baiting for kings, especially w treble stingers king, I set the strike lever to the screw before the stop...it results in about 5# of drag. Reasoning being I don't want to pull that treble when it is hooked in the head or somewhere else besides in the mouth
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Originally Posted by Aliboy View Post
As mentioned above I would set your strike drag a little lighter for mahi and kings unless there is chance of a stray marlin or large tuna. Problem is that if you set it light at strike you will also have a lower sunset drag. You cant change that easily during a fight. Fine unless you have risk of a large fish. One third of line weight pulled over a bent rod with warmed drag is a good match for most trolling reels and I would be inclined to set them like that. Then put a little tape to show where the lever should be for say 6lb drag and run the reels at that setting knowing that you can lift the drag to 10lb at strike or a full sunset level if needed.
Ok, here is what I did.
Mounted the reels on the rods. And with a bent over rod set the strike drag to just able to lift the gal of water.
Then I had a gallon of gas.Which weighs 6.3 lbs.
And seen where the drag lever was at to lift the gas.
The lever was right at the screw that holds the plate to the reel .
So at Strike I have right around 9 lbs and I have a location on the lever to where I know I have around 6 ish.

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Having a standard drag setting based on the pound test of the line doesn't make sense to me. It needs to be changed based on what you're fishing for. Mahi and tuna, I use maybe 5 pounds of drag as they have softer mouths and the hook doesn't need much force to set. For wahoo or kings I do maybe 10 pounds as they have harder mouths to drive a hook into. Definitely need to put the reel on a rod to test the drag.
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"Every top kingfish competitor *emphasizes the importance of light drag settings for landing the smokers. Most anglers use two to three pounds of drag pressure, confirmed with a scale prior to fishing.
“Once a king is hooked, it makes a remarkably fast first run,” Panos explains. “A tight drag will either break the line or pull the hook.”"
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Originally Posted by 95wellcraft View Post
Ok, here is what I did.
Mounted the reels on the rods. And with a bent over rod set the strike drag to just able to lift the gal of water.
Then I had a gallon of gas.Which weighs 6.3 lbs.
And seen where the drag lever was at to lift the gas.
The lever was right at the screw that holds the plate to the reel .
So at Strike I have right around 9 lbs and I have a location on the lever to where I know I have around 6 ish.

Not the way to do it but you have received numerous suggestions on how to do it and you apparently don't want to follow them. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by JAGSARE1 View Post
Not the way to do it but you have received numerous suggestions on how to do it and you apparently don't want to follow them. Good luck.
I don't have a scale handy.
I think it'll be just fine
Also. I doubt there is much difference from lifting like I did and putting it in the rod holders and pulling.
But I'll let you know the difference when I get a scale.
Thanks for all Your help.
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Originally Posted by 95wellcraft View Post
I don't have a scale handy.
I think it'll be just fine

Then why did you ask for advice? You said what you were doing, asked for advice, ignored it and said you are fine. Perfectly OK, just trying to figure out why you wasted peoples time with the question?
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So this guy and a butt load of others are all wrong?

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Good to see all talk about weights. I was taught to grab the line with both hands a foot forward of the reel. Start pulling line, you've got light pull (5lbs) for live bait, medium pull (10bs) trolling on the 25's, and jeez this feels tight as hell (20lbs) for the 50's.
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Originally Posted by 95wellcraft View Post
So this guy and a butt load of others are all wrong?

https://youtu.be/LeWjDui31nk
There's nothing wrong with doing it that way. But what if you scale down your leader and need to set a very light drag? How do you change from 3lbs of drag to 7lbs to 10lbs to 12lbs?

Using a weight is fine, especially if you don't have a scale but I prefer using a scale because I am setting the maximum drag of my reel based on the leader I'm using which allows me to put the maximum mount of force on a fish to get them out of the wreck. This is a lot different from trolling......

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Well according to Jagass or whatever his name is, I'm doing it all wrong.
​​​​​just went to Walmart and bought a cheap scale. I weighed my water jug (8.5lbs).
So lifting my jug with the rod my Strike drag is set at 8.5lbs.
I then put the rod in a rod holder and with my new scale I made a pull simulating a trolling strike.
Guess what pound the clicker started going off at?
Yep 8.5 lbs

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