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Old 06-18-2019, 11:48 AM
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I am hearing rumors that flounder may close until further notice at or around Aug 1st, 2019, in Coastal NC. I have been a fisherman who has always played by the rules my entire life. This, however is the final straw for me. I have released hundreds and hundreds of 14 3/4" flounder to the point that I go home without dinner more often than not. I am at the end of my rope with this BS. It IS NOT the recreational fishermen that are depleting the fishery, but the the by catch caused by trawling and the commercial netting. Call me me stupid, but from here on out I, I am going home with dinner! No more playing by rules that favor a few at the cost of many. If many of us would stand together in this fashion maybe things would really change for the better, There is only 1 species left for them to to regulate out of existence, that being the Red Drum, and it will be next. Then we all might as well sell our boats.
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i hope you get caught poaching
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You get what you elect. NC bends over backwards for the fishing industry lobbyists. That isn't going to change until it directly effects them.
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Old 06-19-2019, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
i hope you get caught poaching
and you most likely live in an area that doesnt affect your ability to so much as catch dinner....we in SE NC ARE PLAIN SICK OF IT. It is all about politics and not species management. First it was stripers, then grey trout, now its flounder. (Funny how the fish market is full of undersized fish being sold for $16.95 a pound.) the only time you will feel the outrage is when it pops up in your backyard. Be sure to give the roller netters a friendly wave next time you pass them in the inlet, when their gunwhales are barely above water., but you are not allowed to keep a single fish. Red drum will be the last one left, and then it will disappear -explain that to your grandkids
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My guess is the explanation will start with “Well the fishery started to collapse so everyone started to just poach whatever they wanted, and we couldn’t believe that made things worse!”

What an an incredible sportsman and steward of the resource you are!
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and you most likely live in an area that doesnt affect your ability to so much as catch dinner....we in SE NC ARE PLAIN SICK OF IT. It is all about politics and not species management. First it was stripers, then grey trout, now its flounder. (Funny how the fish market is full of undersized fish being sold for $16.95 a pound.) the only time you will feel the outrage is when it pops up in your backyard. Be sure to give the roller netters a friendly wave next time you pass them in the inlet, when their gunwhales are barely above water., but you are not allowed to keep a single fish. Red drum will be the last one left, and then it will disappear -explain that to your grandkids
I fish and follow the rules and regs that are handed down to me whether i like them or not. And I don't like them for the record.

I don't give a F what your regs are, you break them i hope you get caught.

show up to a management meeting, voice your concerns, get your buddies to go with you, write letters, be the cause for change, do something if you feel that strongly.

come on a public forum and advocate for poaching?? kick rocks pal.
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I am hearing rumors that flounder may close until further notice at or around Aug 1st, 2019, in Coastal NC. I have been a fisherman who has always played by the rules my entire life. This, however is the final straw for me. I have released hundreds and hundreds of 14 3/4" flounder to the point that I go home without dinner more often than not. I am at the end of my rope with this BS. It IS NOT the recreational fishermen that are depleting the fishery, but the the by catch caused by trawling and the commercial netting. Call me me stupid, but from here on out I, I am going home with dinner! No more playing by rules that favor a few at the cost of many. If many of us would stand together in this fashion maybe things would really change for the better, There is only 1 species left for them to to regulate out of existence, that being the Red Drum, and it will be next. Then we all might as well sell our boats.
You are a poacher. You are no better than the guy on here with the gaff through an out of season AJs head, or the guy that kills a fish, then asks the species. A 14 3/4" fish is too short. Try fishing up here and tossing back 17 3/4" fish.
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For the record, I am not advocating poaching, but I get the frustration. With that being said, I wouldn't exactly air my intention to poach out on a public forum with my location stated. Sort of giving the armchair detectives a lot of information. In this case it's sort of a shoot, shovel, and shut up. Or maybe fish, filet, and fall silent. Just don't keep any red snapper filets, they might sick Fido on ya.
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:12 AM
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Once you have observed NC commercial fishermen in action you will understand the frustration the OP is talking about. It is very hard to watch and know that the process is rigged (as so much is in NC, gerrymandering, collecting ballots illegally, etc.) and it is unlikely there will be any change for a while. NC's regs are a mess, and need to be updated. However, as (Gillnetflounderman) will I am sure educate us, our problem is due more to any factor other than the commercial fisherman and their lobbyists. I hope the OP catches his dinner, and the rest of you learn that there are poachers, and there are poachers.....
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I'm getting to the point where wild caught fish should be treated like every other wild game animal. If you want a deer, moose, turkey, duck ect. go out and get it yourself, apply the same principal to fish. If you want farm raised turkey go to the store, if you want fish, go out and catch it yourself or buy farm raised catfish & tilapia. The fisheries can't continue to support both recreational & commercial fishing, recreational should take precedence over commercial for profit opportunities.
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For the record, I am not advocating poaching, but I get the frustration. With that being said, I wouldn't exactly air my intention to poach out on a public forum with my location stated. Sort of giving the armchair detectives a lot of information. In this case it's sort of a shoot, shovel, and shut up. Or maybe fish, filet, and fall silent. Just don't keep any red snapper filets, they might sick Fido on ya.
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Once you have observed NC commercial fishermen in action you will understand the frustration the OP is talking about. It is very hard to watch and know that the process is rigged (as so much is in NC, gerrymandering, collecting ballots illegally, etc.) and it is unlikely there will be any change for a while. NC's regs are a mess, and need to be updated. However, as Glen (Gillnetflounderman) will I am sure educate us, our problem is due more to any factor other than the commercial fisherman and their lobbyists. I hope the OP catches his dinner, and the rest of you learn that there are poachers, and there are poachers.....
you're right, NC is the only place with commercial / rec fishing issues.

poaching is poaching, so carry on and keep taking your self regulated fair share.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:21 AM
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North Carolina fisheries have always been controlled by the coms. Your problem is mostly political. You need to call and write your state repesentatives, write letters to the newspapers, scream, yell, and organize. To a lessor extent you might be fishing in the wrong places. Big fluke dont hang out next to little fluke and they prefer huge baits. Try jigging with a 7 inch gulp.
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
I fish and follow the rules and regs that are handed down to me whether i like them or not. And I don't like them for the record.

I don't give a F what your regs are, you break them i hope you get caught.

show up to a management meeting, voice your concerns, get your buddies to go with you, write letters, be the cause for change, do something if you feel that strongly.

come on a public forum and advocate for poaching?? kick rocks pal.
i dont know what state you are from, but here in NC the system is truly broken...if more people would start saying F*** THE BROKEN SYSTEM, then maybe it would actually change, For the record, i have followed every regulation to a tee for many many years, only to to watch every right i had as a recreational fisherman stripped from me in favor of a few commercial guys. You keep playing by their rules and you will be eating pinfish as your main course. If the recreational fisherman as a whole stood up to what is going on, then maybe, just maybe you will eventually be able to put a guilt free dinner on your table. Either educate yourself to what has happened, or STFU
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i dont know what state you are from, but here in NC the system is truly broken...if more people would start saying FUCK THE BROKEN SYSTEM, then maybe it would actually change, For the record, i have followed every regulation to a tee for many many years, only to to watch every right i had as a recreational fisherman stripped from me in favor of a few commercial guys. You keep playing by their rules and you will be eating pinfish as your main course. If the recreational fisherman as a whole stood up to what is going on, then maybe, just maybe you will eventually be able to put a guilt free dinner on your table. Either educate yourself to what has happened, or STFU
trust me, i'm well educated, but please tell us what have YOU done to change anything besides come here and complain?

keep poaching, poacher
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i dont know what state you are from, but here in NC the system is truly broken...if more people would start saying FUCK THE BROKEN SYSTEM, then maybe it would actually change, For the record, i have followed every regulation to a tee for many many years, only to to watch every right i had as a recreational fisherman stripped from me in favor of a few commercial guys. You keep playing by their rules and you will be eating pinfish as your main course. If the recreational fisherman as a whole stood up to what is going on, then maybe, just maybe you will eventually be able to put a guilt free dinner on your table. Either educate yourself to what has happened, or STFU
Waiting to hear what you have done Mr. Poacher? Maybe you should learn how to fish.
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...Call me me stupid...
You ARE...

If everybody ignores the rules like you, maybe you'll get really lucky and catch the last flounder that swims. That'll be a prize.
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Many rec fishermen have followed the rules, written their reps, and donated to try and effect change. When the rules
are written by the lobbyists, who is really poaching? The guy that keeps a flounder for dinner or the industry that throws away bycatch by the ton? When all the flounder are gone which fish will be next? And will it be in your state?
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I don’t have a dog in this fight nor would I advocate for keeping illegal fish. With that being said, I have lived and fished ( recreationally and in some also commercially) for many years in South Texas, point Judith Rhode Island, Morehead city North Carolina and now South Florida. Out of all those areas, the inshore fisheries of the southern Outer Banks of Morehead city were by far far far the most sold out to commercial fishing interests. I fish offshore and you can’t beat the offshore fishing in that area, but every time I went inshore there was a gillnet and every other type of gear you could imagine everywhere I went. Rotten little commercial fishing boats catching every little fish in the bay and estuary that exists. When it comes to the inshore fisheries management there, they got it all wrong and I understand this gentleman‘s frustration .
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i dont know what state you are from, but here in NC the system is truly broken...if more people would start saying FUCK THE BROKEN SYSTEM, then maybe it would actually change, For the record, i have followed every regulation to a tee for many many years, only to to watch every right i had as a recreational fisherman stripped from me in favor of a few commercial guys. You keep playing by their rules and you will be eating pinfish as your main course. If the recreational fisherman as a whole stood up to what is going on, then maybe, just maybe you will eventually be able to put a guilt free dinner on your table. Either educate yourself to what has happened, or STFU
So let me get this straight. If people start breaking the law, they will change it? Amazing logic. Have fun with your dink flounder.

If the fact of how your state handles fisheries impacts you this much, either actually do something to change it (hint, poaching won't, in fact it will directly harm your case) or move.
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