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Old 06-21-2019, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by NcStateFisher View Post
Homeboy started the post by ranting that he only catches 14 3/4" flounder and that's part of why he's so upset to begin with, if me poking fun at that is "belittling him" so be it, people really get upset about everything these days.

The fishery is in the crapper and something had to be done, will this end up being the answer? I doubt it, but that's what passed. The commercial season is closed all next year until mid september, the recreational season all next year until august. If they were going to have a closure not sure what else you want them to do, 20+ years of mismanagement isn't going to be undone in a year or two and stomping your feet about it isn't going to change anything
You totally misunderstood the post.....Get a clue, and a life, and educate yourself about the members of the "board" before you go spouting off about someone catching "Only" 14 3/4" fish. The point being made was that the 15" rule has made ZERO difference in our fishery.
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Originally Posted by direwolf3 View Post
A post from a person in RI who is not affected by the gerrymandering that has ruined our recreational fishing......or maybe a post from a commercial fisherman who financed his lobbyist. No amount of showing up for meetings, or voicing our concerns have changed a damn thing. Get a clue to what is really going on
Poach any fluke today, Bruh?
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Old 06-21-2019, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
trust me, i'm well educated, but please tell us what have YOU done to change anything besides come here and complain?

keep poaching, poacher
How educated are you on what has gone on in NC? I'm waiting, Mr. Rhode Island Scholar, while you google some facts that you probably know nothing about.
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Old 06-21-2019, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by aftergolf View Post
The Basnight's have controlled everything that has happened to our fisheries for decades and even in retirement, they still have a stronghold on the lawmakers. Everything in this state for the last 30 years has done nothing but taken everything they could for the benefit of the Commercial fishermen. Several get on this site and say they have to make a living, feed people who cannot get to the coast etc., etc. All of the trout go to restaurants in New York, none of it shows up in NC restaurants!!
All of the members on the committees are all slanted to the Comms and so is the director. This is the way of life in NC, and until the lawmakers in Raleigh decide they need to do something, nothing will change.
Well said!
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Originally Posted by direwolf3 View Post
A post from a person in RI who is not affected by the gerrymandering that has ruined our recreational fishing......or maybe a post from a commercial fisherman who financed his lobbyist. No amount of showing up for meetings, or voicing our concerns have changed a damn thing. Get a clue to what is really going on
all rec here homeboy. I do my part x10

do some research before you come at me running your mouth

pound sand, get off the Internet and go poach another.

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Old 06-21-2019, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post


all rec here homeboy. I do my part x10.

do so research before you come at me running your mouth.

pound sand, go poach another.
What are you, a gangsta or something? I'm not your frigging homeboy....And still no good answers that you proclaim to have...all my research shows me is that you are a loudmouth from RI, who claims to be educated, but speaks on a subject he has zero knowledge of X10
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:09 AM
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What are you, a gangsta or something? I'm not your frigging homeboy....And still no good answers that you proclaim to have
youíre a clown

what did i Ďproclaimí?
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by r_ventura_23 View Post
You are a poacher. You are no better than the guy on here with the gaff through an out of season AJs head, or the guy that kills a fish, then asks the species. A 14 3/4" fish is too short. Try fishing up here and tossing back 17 3/4" fish.
Who the F would keep an AJ anyway?
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by direwolf3 View Post
You totally misunderstood the post.....Get a clue, and a life, and educate yourself about the members of the "board" before you go spouting off about someone catching "Only" 14 3/4" fish. The point being made was that the 15" rule has made ZERO difference in our fishery.
When it was 14" seemed like everybody was catching 13 3/4" fish. Any way you cut it the average size of fish caught now vs. say 15 years ago is down.

Again the fact that there's no impact on trawling or water quality in this bill most likely means we won't see a substantial difference in the short term, having a hissy fit and crying and saying "well I'm just gonna keep whatever I want regardless of the rules" sure isn't gonna make a difference, as has already been said though I hope you get caught with a pile of illegal fish
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by r_ventura_23 View Post
Waiting to hear what you have done Mr. Poacher? Maybe you should learn how to fish.
Fairly confident I've thrown back far more than you have ever caught....oh, yes, and thrown back many that were way over legal just because...and I've attended quite a few management meetings....and you?
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Originally Posted by NcStateFisher View Post
When it was 14" seemed like everybody was catching 13 3/4" fish. Any way you cut it the average size of fish caught now vs. say 15 years ago is down.

Again the fact that there's no impact on trawling or water quality in this bill most likely means we won't see a substantial difference in the short term, having a hissy fit and crying and saying "well I'm just gonna keep whatever I want regardless of the rules" sure isn't gonna make a difference, as has already been said though I hope you get caught with a pile of illegal fish
You are absolutely right about the changing size limits....and nobody complained because I feel the majority felt it was what needed to happen. Those regulations hurt nobody, but what is coming now hurts many. Think about all the guides this will hurt badly. It WILL however, accomplish 1 thing....it will put massive fishing pressure on the Drum, and in a few years we will be having this same conversation about the vanishing stock of Red Drum. And the trawling will continue to indiscriminately kill all sizes...and the flounder fishery will continue to decline.....same as it ever was
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Originally Posted by direwolf3 View Post
You are absolutely right about the changing size limits....and nobody complained because I feel the majority felt it was what needed to happen. Those regulations hurt nobody, but what is coming now hurts many. Think about all the guides this will hurt badly. It WILL however, accomplish 1 thing....it will put massive fishing pressure on the Drum, and in a few years we will be having this same conversation about the vanishing stock of Red Drum. And the trawling will continue to indiscriminately kill all sizes....same as it ever was
Trust me I don't belittle the impact that this is going to have on the southeast part of the state in particular, just saying that there's a way to react and there's ways not to react. This is going to be a huge problem for a large part of the coastal fishing economy on both sides and the trawlers will keep doing what they do..
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NcStateFisher View Post
When it was 14" seemed like everybody was catching 13 3/4" fish. Any way you cut it the average size of fish caught now vs. say 15 years ago is down.

Again the fact that there's no impact on trawling or water quality in this bill most likely means we won't see a substantial difference in the short term, having a hissy fit and crying and saying "well I'm just gonna keep whatever I want regardless of the rules" sure isn't gonna make a difference, as has already been said though I hope you get caught with a pile of illegal fish
The reason that the recs catch 13 3/4 when the limit is 14 is because the comms. Limit is always lower. That alone shows that the comm harvest owns and controls these populations big time. Itís the same with sea bass. If our limit is 15 we catch nothing but 14 3/4.

As as bad as it sounds it IS an us against them scenario and the only way we (recs) can win under the current laws is to ignore them. If we keep short fish the comms who have been allowed to destroy the mullet spot sea bass and flounder stocks will have no fish to catch. Many of us stopped following size limits due to this and itís unfair to have to risk citations because politicians ( basinights) have allowed this for years.

Heres how how I look at it and it pisses me off. Years ago I could go 5 miles and catch tasty sea bass. It was another thing that made being in Carolina so great. For years now in the winter these party boat guys set pots and rape sea bass by the thousands of pounds. So now Yankees in Yonkers are eating MY tasty sea bass while I have to risk getting a citation just to eat a few. In a sense the sea bass are protected from me to the benefit of the comms.

The favt rhat comms size size limits are always short of what recs are is complete utter bs.

Since lawmakers wont stop this then F the damn size limits. These fish are being protected from rev anglers ONLY SO THEY CAN BE RAPED by comms.

Write me me a ticket. Call me a poacher. When itís a level playing field Iíll follow the regs.


Is it lost on yall all that these regs only benefit comms?? Sure havenít helped the fish. Sure hasnít helped recs. As always itís about the money. I sure as hell donít think itís fair that I have to throw back a short flounder just so a net setting comm can feed his kid by catching the same fish and selling it.


Is F ing simple!!! FLOUNDER: no fish under 16 inches may be harvested in water under 3 miles. Rev AND COMM

same for sea bass. Give it 3 years then drop it to 15 inches.


Or shut shut the dam comms down. They have raped and taken so much from this state.
Mad a kid we would eat at calabash. The big thrill was to walk on the docks and watch the huge blue crabs. THEY TOO ARE GONE! GONE.

Anybody remember the spot runs runs of the 70ís and 80ís?? People once spent money to come to the coast to catch them. What was wrong with that income??

mullet runs were clock work. Not what people call mullet these days( whiting) the big jumping mullet. Raped. Itís like we just say ok no problem. Come on folks itís time we stop the greedy raping of our fisheries. We got to do something.

now I feel better😂😂
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As as bad as it sounds it IS an us against them scenario and the only way we (recs) can win under the current laws is to ignore them. If we keep short fish the comms who have been allowed to destroy the mullet spot sea bass and flounder stocks will have no fish to catch. Many of us stopped following size limits due to this and itís unfair to have to risk citations because politicians ( basinights) have allowed this for years.

Heres how how I look at it and it pisses me off. Years ago I could go 5 miles and catch tasty sea bass. It was another thing that made being in Carolina so great. For years now in the winter these party boat guys set pots and rape sea bass by the thousands of pounds. So now Yankees in Yonkers are eating MY tasty sea bass while I have to risk getting a citation just to eat a few. In a sense the sea bass are protected from me to the benefit of the comms.
So by your logic the only way that recs can win... is to kill all the undersized fish and destroy the stock... before the commercial guys get to kill the same fish? WHAT?!

If you're struggling to find 13" seabass I apologize... Sure you aren't gonna strike gold on public numbers every time but within 10 miles in the winter there are plenty of seabass to be caught up and down the NC coast... you also have to consider that water temps are typically higher than they were in the past and that has changed the fishery to an extent. Those yankees in yonkers have a better seabass fishery than we do with much larger fish too....
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Originally Posted by r_ventura_23 View Post
Waiting to hear what you have done Mr. Poacher? Maybe you should learn how to fish.
Another comment from someone who has absolutely no idea what big money lobbyists have done to our fishery. Maybe it hasn't hit home in Jersey yet, but it will. Chances are a percentage of the fish you are buying at the fish market or at a restaurant come from our fishery here down south. You are another armchair idiot who knows nothing about the topic you comment on, but want to sound like a big man. Go get a role on "Jersey Shore"- You will fit right in.
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
i hope you get caught poaching
Laws that get passed by using big-monied lobbyists are not necessarily laws that are good for anybody but those who put the money behind them. If more people would look into what is really going on in certain state legislatures concerning OUR fisheries I'm sure sure you be appalled. Until it affects you, and the way of life you have held dear for decades, keep abiding by these outrageous laws and turn a blind eye to what created them, and the true motives behind them. Follow them like sheep until it's too late to ever get them changed back, or until YOUR fishery is decimated beyond recoverability. Only then will you feel the outrage that we are now dealing with.
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Laws that get passed by using big-monied lobbyists are not necessarily laws that are good for anybody but those who put the money behind them. If more people would look into what is really going on in certain state legislatures concerning OUR fisheries I'm sure sure you be appalled. Until it affects you, and the way of life you have held dear for decades, keep abiding by these outrageous laws and turn a blind eye to what created them, and the true motives behind them. Follow them like sheep until it's too late to ever get them changed back, or until YOUR fishery is decimated beyond recoverability. Only then will you feel the outrage that we are now dealing with.
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Originally Posted by bluescholar View Post
My guess is the explanation will start with ďWell the fishery started to collapse so everyone started to just poach whatever they wanted, and we couldnít believe that made things worse!Ē

What an an incredible sportsman and steward of the resource you are!
And if you did a little research on the plight of those that live in SE NC, you would realize that this was all done in an underhanded way, by underhanded lobbyists that support nothing other than the big commercial fishing industry, the very one that is killing the young of ALL species. All this new bill does is let them continue to fish pretty much the same as always, racking in a few more years of profits before someone finally pins the blame where it belongs. Lobbying got the laws changed, pure and simple. Maybe it will come to your state next. Then feel free to stay silent. You will deserve it.
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Originally Posted by NcStateFisher View Post
Homeboy started the post by ranting that he only catches 14 3/4" flounder and that's part of why he's so upset to begin with, if me poking fun at that is "belittling him" so be it, people really get upset about everything these days.

The fishery is in the crapper and something had to be done, will this end up being the answer? I doubt it, but that's what passed. The commercial season is closed all next year until mid september, the recreational season all next year until august. If they were going to have a closure not sure what else you want them to do, 20+ years of mismanagement isn't going to be undone in a year or two and stomping your feet about it isn't going to change anything
nobody ever said all they catch is 14 3/4 flounder....what was said was hundreds and hundreds of 14 3/4Ē had been released. You seem to want to warp someoneís post so THEN you can belittle them. You need a life pal, and buy some IQ to go with it.
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The reason that the recs catch 13 3/4 when the limit is 14 is because the comms. Limit is always lower. That alone shows that the comm harvest owns and controls these populations big time. Itís the same with sea bass. If our limit is 15 we catch nothing but 14 3/4.

As as bad as it sounds it IS an us against them scenario and the only way we (recs) can win under the current laws is to ignore them. If we keep short fish the comms who have been allowed to destroy the mullet spot sea bass and flounder stocks will have no fish to catch. Many of us stopped following size limits due to this and itís unfair to have to risk citations because politicians ( basinights) have allowed this for years.

Heres how how I look at it and it pisses me off. Years ago I could go 5 miles and catch tasty sea bass. It was another thing that made being in Carolina so great. For years now in the winter these party boat guys set pots and rape sea bass by the thousands of pounds. So now Yankees in Yonkers are eating MY tasty sea bass while I have to risk getting a citation just to eat a few. In a sense the sea bass are protected from me to the benefit of the comms.

The favt rhat comms size size limits are always short of what recs are is complete utter bs.

Since lawmakers wont stop this then F the damn size limits. These fish are being protected from rev anglers ONLY SO THEY CAN BE RAPED by comms.

Write me me a ticket. Call me a poacher. When itís a level playing field Iíll follow the regs.


Is it lost on yall all that these regs only benefit comms?? Sure havenít helped the fish. Sure hasnít helped recs. As always itís about the money. I sure as hell donít think itís fair that I have to throw back a short flounder just so a net setting comm can feed his kid by catching the same fish and selling it.


Is F ing simple!!! FLOUNDER: no fish under 16 inches may be harvested in water under 3 miles. Rev AND COMM

same for sea bass. Give it 3 years then drop it to 15 inches.


Or shut shut the dam comms down. They have raped and taken so much from this state.
Mad a kid we would eat at calabash. The big thrill was to walk on the docks and watch the huge blue crabs. THEY TOO ARE GONE! GONE.

Anybody remember the spot runs runs of the 70ís and 80ís?? People once spent money to come to the coast to catch them. What was wrong with that income??

mullet runs were clock work. Not what people call mullet these days( whiting) the big jumping mullet. Raped. Itís like we just say ok no problem. Come on folks itís time we stop the greedy raping of our fisheries. We got to do something.

now I feel better😂😂
you are dead on about the spot runs, the blue crabs, the mullet runs, etc. ALL GONE, COMPLETELY GONE. I havenít seen anyone setting a spot net for years now. Gone are the days we would go gigging with a kerosene lamp and a pitchfork after dinner. PLAIN GONE. It is now a time for action, and I donít mean legislative- they are owned these days. But we need to resist this in some hard line meaningful fashion. Something that gets their attention. Iím wide open to suggestions if anyone has the balls to do something daring. We cannot afford lobbyists to get anything done in Raleigh....so where do we go from here?
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