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Old 06-19-2019, 05:31 PM
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I have always wondered: with the size regulation, don't fishes evolve toward smaller sizes?
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:44 PM
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The Basnight's have controlled everything that has happened to our fisheries for decades and even in retirement, they still have a stronghold on the lawmakers. Everything in this state for the last 30 years has done nothing but taken everything they could for the benefit of the Commercial fishermen. Several get on this site and say they have to make a living, feed people who cannot get to the coast etc., etc. All of the trout go to restaurants in New York, none of it shows up in NC restaurants!!
All of the members on the committees are all slanted to the Comms and so is the director. This is the way of life in NC, and until the lawmakers in Raleigh decide they need to do something, nothing will change.
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.... You do realize that the ruling also substantially cuts back the commercial fishing season as well? While it does suck to see a season fully closed for the majority of the year this ruling is affecting both sides of the fence. A 15" flounder isn't hardly worth keeping anyways and the inshore fishery has been on the decline for close to two decades. There needed to be some form of reduction or closure only time will tell if this plan makes an impact.

I'd also like to mention that you "catching dinner every time you fish" isn't a good indication of the state of the fishery... maybe you just can't fish

Unfortunately it doesn't do anything to reduce estuary trawling or water quality issues, so we'll see what happens.

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Old 06-19-2019, 07:14 PM
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Natural resource, flounder, being ILLEGAL for recreational fisherman, ( families, kids, retired individuals, grandpa with grandson, etc, you get the point) to possess.
But same natural resource, flounder, being LEGAL to net, possess, and to sale for profit by commercials.

Seems about out right in today’s dealings!!!
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BrettR View Post
Natural resource, flounder, being ILLEGAL for recreational fisherman, ( families, kids, retired individuals, grandpa with grandson, etc, you get the point) to possess.
But same natural resource, flounder, being LEGAL to net, possess, and to sale for profit by commercials.

Seems about out right in today’s dealings!!!
Alternatively... you could actually read the bill. Commercial netters are also getting a severely reduced season
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:00 PM
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Who cares if commercials are reduced, if the flounder fishery is bad enough to close it for recreation, then it should be closed for all. Allowing people to fish for profit to the point it requires closure for any sector means that the fishery is overfished and to allow fishing for profit to continue is absurd. The jobs created by recreational fishing should be considered with the same weight as the individual commercial fisherman job.
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Old 06-20-2019, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by NcStateFisher View Post
Alternatively... you could actually read the bill. Commercial netters are also getting a severely reduced season
OR...you could comprehend my post.
Possession > No Possession, no matter what the total is.
I will not reiterate what Tegin posted, but he is spot on.
If someone would have ever told me that one day, we, as NC citizens, could not go out on the banks of our beautiful coast with friends and family to catch a few flounder for supper. I would have never believed it.

BTW, I have noticed in your post that you try and belittle people, tells a lot.
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Originally Posted by BrettR View Post
OR...you could comprehend my post.
Possession > No Possession, no matter what the total is.
I will not reiterate what Tegin posted, but he is spot on.
If someone would have ever told me that one day, we, as NC citizens, could not go out on the banks of our beautiful coast with friends and family to catch a few flounder for supper. I would have never believed it.

BTW, I have noticed in your post that you try and belittle people, tells a lot.
Homeboy started the post by ranting that he only catches 14 3/4" flounder and that's part of why he's so upset to begin with, if me poking fun at that is "belittling him" so be it, people really get upset about everything these days.

The fishery is in the crapper and something had to be done, will this end up being the answer? I doubt it, but that's what passed. The commercial season is closed all next year until mid september, the recreational season all next year until august. If they were going to have a closure not sure what else you want them to do, 20+ years of mismanagement isn't going to be undone in a year or two and stomping your feet about it isn't going to change anything
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Old 06-20-2019, 06:54 AM
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The big issues are netters and by-catch. Until that is fixed these problems will continue to get worse. Closing flounder is a bandaid and will not solve the long term problem of trout, reds and flounder inshore.
With the Commercial Lobby there will not be anything done I believe in my lifetime to fix these problems.
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Old 06-20-2019, 07:07 AM
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I believe the entire flounder population is slowly migrating north. You want a shot at catching a double digit flounder these days, you better go to jersey or new york.

I also expect a lot of commercial draggers catch them well above Carolina however bring their landings back to a Carolina port.
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Old 06-20-2019, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by wshtb View Post
I have always wondered: with the size regulation, don't fishes evolve toward smaller sizes?
Years ago, I did NW Atlantic fisheries enforcement. During a program I attended (early 2000s), we were told that in Europe, the cod had been so overfished at some point that the genetics to actually grow to the size of NW Atlantic cod had been fished out of the population. So, that's all I have to offer...but nothing specific to flounder.
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Old 06-20-2019, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by OGR8 View Post
Once you have observed NC commercial fishermen in action you will understand the frustration the OP is talking about. It is very hard to watch and know that the process is rigged (as so much is in NC, gerrymandering, collecting ballots illegally, etc.) and it is unlikely there will be any change for a while. NC's regs are a mess, and need to be updated. However, as (Gillnetflounderman) will I am sure educate us, our problem is due more to any factor other than the commercial fisherman and their lobbyists. I hope the OP catches his dinner, and the rest of you learn that there are poachers, and there are poachers.....
And one is no better then the other .

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Old 06-20-2019, 09:05 AM
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I am hearing rumors that flounder may close until further notice at or around Aug 1st, 2019, in Coastal NC. I have been a fisherman who has always played by the rules my entire life. This, however is the final straw for me. I have released hundreds and hundreds of 14 3/4" flounder to the point that I go home without dinner more often than not. I am at the end of my rope with this BS. It IS NOT the recreational fishermen that are depleting the fishery, but the the by catch caused by trawling and the commercial netting. Call me me stupid, but from here on out I, I am going home with dinner! No more playing by rules that favor a few at the cost of many. If many of us would stand together in this fashion maybe things would really change for the better, There is only 1 species left for them to to regulate out of existence, that being the Red Drum, and it will be next. Then we all might as well sell our boats.
I'm with you. I like to fish for fun. Mostly though I like to eat fish. I'll keep what I want when I want. Same with deer.
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Old 06-20-2019, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by simeoncoleman View Post
I'm with you. I like to fish for fun. Mostly though I like to eat fish. I'll keep what I want when I want. Same with deer.
Wow. THT is full of poachers.
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Old 06-20-2019, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by simeoncoleman View Post
I'm with you. I like to fish for fun. Mostly though I like to eat fish. I'll keep what I want when I want. Same with deer.
i hope you get caught too
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Old 06-20-2019, 09:32 AM
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NC fishermen feeling the sting that New England fishermen have felt for decades (see cod, recreational). So the plan is to break the law and not follow the regs... and also whine about corporate interests stepping on John Q. Public in a state that will undoubtedly vote for the most in-the-pocket, sold out politician in history. I echo what my fellow New Englander said earlier - I hope you get caught. Also, let's walk this down the line... NC DEQ hears about excessive poaching and, since they can't hire more enforcement staff, gets more conservative with their recommendations for short seasons and size limits. (PS - the water is warmer and it is causing a regime change - we see fluke in MA Bay and up to Maine now.)
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Old 06-20-2019, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by krabill View Post
I believe the entire flounder population is slowly migrating north. You want a shot at catching a double digit flounder these days, you better go to jersey or new york.

I also expect a lot of commercial draggers catch them well above Carolina however bring their landings back to a Carolina port.
NJ had had horrible flounder (fluke) fishing this season so far and last year not so great also. NJ has had size limits for at least a decade, currently 3 fish and 18" minimum.
I feel bad for the party boat fleet because its hard for them to put a catch together. I agree the recreational angler is only a small part of the big picture.
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Old 06-20-2019, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by OGR8 View Post
Once you have observed NC commercial fishermen in action you will understand the frustration the OP is talking about. It is very hard to watch and know that the process is rigged (as so much is in NC, gerrymandering, collecting ballots illegally, etc.) and it is unlikely there will be any change for a while. NC's regs are a mess, and need to be updated. However, as (Gillnetflounderman) will I am sure educate us, our problem is due more to any factor other than the commercial fisherman and their lobbyists. I hope the OP catches his dinner, and the rest of you learn that there are poachers, and there are poachers.....
So far, you are the only post who actually sees what's going on and gets that ALL recreational fishermen in NC are taking a stiff one up the ass.......Maybe what they have done to us will spread all over, and boy will the whining begin then. Unless you live in NC and are privy to the injustices done to to our state by a select few, then I really don't feel that you should have an opinion on things that don't affect you. Until they fix it, I'll be loading mine with tartar sauce.
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Old 06-20-2019, 06:00 PM
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Flounder fishing in the northeast has been a joke for years. You never used to even have to try. Now, if you don't go every day to secret spots, you won't catch a cold.

An exception is boston harbor, where they are coming back.

But for years southern fleets have been scouring the bottom up north, returning to offload in states where the season is kept wide open. Of course, they also scrape home waters with those same regs,.

I haven't read the bill, but I bet it excludes offloads from out of state. Just guessing.
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Old 06-21-2019, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
I fish and follow the rules and regs that are handed down to me whether i like them or not. And I don't like them for the record.

I don't give a F what your regs are, you break them i hope you get caught.

show up to a management meeting, voice your concerns, get your buddies to go with you, write letters, be the cause for change, do something if you feel that strongly.

come on a public forum and advocate for poaching?? kick rocks pal.
A post from a person in RI who is not affected by the gerrymandering that has ruined our recreational fishing......or maybe a post from a commercial fisherman who financed his lobbyist. No amount of showing up for meetings, or voicing our concerns have changed a damn thing. Get a clue to what is really going on
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