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Old 06-12-2019, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Finatic Jason View Post
I have been using this knot as long as I can remember with no issues. Usually braid to mono/floro. Fishing the other day my double uniís failed a couple times when hooked up. Kids were fighting some Bonita that were running like hell from the sharks. Line broke at the uni a few times on 2 different rods. Line was put on both rods about 9mo ago.

Set was 40lb mono leader tied to 20lb main line. Going to change out the main line since itís pushing a year. Thinking maybe thatís it.

Any other knot you recommend for offshore 20-30 mainline to 40-60lb mono/floro? Iíve done my research but what are you using?

keep the the flouro closer in lb test. Putting 20 to 40 or 60 can pull. Try 20 to 30.
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:17 PM
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FG knot, spend some time at home and learn how to tie it right. IMO strongest & best knot to use on braid.
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:55 PM
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Used the Albright for years without problems. Went to FG cause I canít stand to hear a knot go thru the guides. FG is a winner in my book.
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:43 PM
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Is the mainline mono or braid? If it's braid double it up and make 9 loops. Then bench test it. Nothing worse then knots failing
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:08 PM
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I’ve always used uni-uni and have caught a bunch of AJs on jigging rods with the drag screwed down. Never had a failure. I do sometimes put a dab of super glue on the connection cause why not. Not sure if it helps but like I said never a failure. This is 60lb braid to 80 lb mono leader.
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:16 PM
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9 months?? Never trust yesterdayís knots.
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:32 PM
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Always use uni to uni....hooked big shark one time....cranked drag down and hauled on the rod with all I had, trying to break it off....never did....caught big mako....
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:05 PM
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Should have been clearer and thought I included. These issues were on mono to mono.
Caught plenty of big fish before and never had an issue.
I have attributing it to the 20lb mainline as thatís what appeared to be breaking. Good point being this line has seen quite a few fish including some sails.
I have played with the FG knot but with 3 kids onboard being the mate and captain can be challenging and a quick knot makes my life easier.
Figure this could be good experiment with my boys.
Thanks for the replies and I plan to experiment with some of these other knots.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:20 PM
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Definitely try the surgeons knot for mono to mono. It's probaby the easiest connection you can tie and it's stronger than Albrights and unis. It's bulky though, so you don't want to reel it through the eyes.....
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:40 PM
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Red Phillips knot. Look on youtube. It's a uni with a twist. Works for me.
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Old 06-13-2019, 03:38 AM
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I was about to say something, but donít want to jinx myself...
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Old 06-13-2019, 05:55 AM
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Check out: https://www.facebook.com/vladimir.gr...8073192/?t=217 for a cool knot video.
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Old 06-13-2019, 06:41 AM
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I always use the uni to uni also. I've snagged bottom, stopped the reel, and broken hooks and sinkers off without ever breaking at the uni to uni joint.

The only time I've seen it slip is with very small line (6 pound), and then I just use more loops.

I once asked a very well known charter captain what knots I should use. He told me "doesn't matter, pick one, as long as you tie it right....".
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Old 06-13-2019, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by hjorgan View Post
Red Phillips knot. Look on youtube. It's a uni with a twist. Works for me.
^^^ I like this one too. So far so good. ^^^
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Old 06-13-2019, 01:29 PM
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The uni is a strong knot when tying mono to mono so I suspect either your line is old or damaged or the knot wasn't tied properly. The only failures I've ever had with that knot are when tying light braid to heavier leaders. Like 10LB braid to 50 or 60 pound leaders. You just can't cinch down the heavy mono leader tight enough so that the braid doesn't pull through. I much prefer the improved albright for that situation. But mono to mono shouldn't have been a problem. You have something else up I think.
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Old 06-13-2019, 04:20 PM
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I think the double uni works better for mono to mono connection. I use it with smaller mono , it gets too bulky with larger line . For braid to mono the Alberto knot is what I use , never had it fail , easy to tie and streamline goes through the guides easy .
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Old 06-13-2019, 08:41 PM
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Braid to mono,

FG knot every time. It will cast better than anything else. Have not had it fail yet. Showed a fishing buddy and he was a sceptic until he hook a 6' shark and fought it for 30 min on that knot. Never failed. he believes now.
My normal is 60# braid to 40# or up Mono/fluro

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Old 06-14-2019, 08:11 PM
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I love the FG knot on my offshore spinning rigs with 50# main line and 80# fluoro leader, but I have tried and tried on my light inshore rods and it always releases. I went to the improved Albright with great success. I do 10 wraps around the doubled fluoro and 5 wraps they the loop. I use 15# braid and 20# fluoro and the knot is small and smooth. You can cut the fluoro tag end very close.

I had too many failures with the uni-uni knot after a few hours fishing. I have looked at the knot under high magnification after fishing with it and see wear on the fluoro knot. I think the eyes damage the fluoro and it fatigues and breaks at some point. My failures almost always occur when casting. I think the stress during casting when the knot goes thru the small rod tip eye is much more than fighting a fish with straight line pull. I use the uni-uni now when I need to re-tie while wade fishing because it is much easier than the mod Albright,
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Old 06-14-2019, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Blutarsky View Post
I love the FG knot on my offshore spinning rigs with 50# main line and 80# fluoro leader, but I have tried and tried on my light inshore rods and it always releases. I went to the improved Albright with great success. I do 10 wraps around the doubled fluoro and 5 wraps they the loop. I use 15# braid and 20# fluoro and the knot is small and smooth. You can cut the fluoro tag end very close.

I had too many failures with the uni-uni knot after a few hours fishing. I have looked at the knot under high magnification after fishing with it and see wear on the fluoro knot. I think the eyes damage the fluoro and it fatigues and breaks at some point. My failures almost always occur when casting. I think the stress during casting when the knot goes thru the small rod tip eye is much more than fighting a fish with straight line pull. I use the uni-uni now when I need to re-tie while wade fishing because it is much easier than the mod Albright,
I use the FG on all my inshore reels (20lb braid to 20lb fluoro) as well as my offshore reels (65lb braid to 50lb fluoro). If the FG is releasing I think there's a very crucial step you're skipping. When i first started tying it I had several random failures but after doing this step I have never had it fail on a fish.

Once you do your 20 wraps and tie your first half hitch..... you need to cinch the knot. I will tie a loop in the end of my leader and hang it over a door knob or cleat and pull as hard as I can. This cinches down the knot. Then I complete a few more half hitches, cut the tag end flush, do a couple;e more half hitches then a rizutto finish. If you don't cinch the FG after the first half hitch, when you put the knot under a lot of tension the tag end that you cut flush can slip just a hair. Once it slips just a tiny bit the tag end will have slid under your half hitch causing it to become loose which will eventually cause the whole knot to loosen up..... The only time I've ever had an FG fail since doing this is when I got hung up in the wreck and I was trying to break off.

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Old 06-14-2019, 08:27 PM
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There are a few tricks to ensure FG will not fail.

When done tieing, before you trim any tag ends. wrap the braid around a dowel or anything to save your hands and your other hand aroind the mono. now pull relax pull relax. I try to pull about 60-70% of breakibg tension. Now it is safe to trim the tag wnds and catch em up. If you skip this step I see about a 30% failire. but with that step I never see failures. I also like the rizzuti finish (SP)


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