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bally rigging question

Old 06-08-2019, 11:30 AM
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When running a Joe Shoot or equivalent. Do you always run a chin weight in the bally, if not at what ounce "Joe shutts" do you stop using chin weights. for instance, 3oz joe shutts would you use the chin weight thank nick
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It depends on how you want your hoo to swim. If you want it swim like it swims naturally you will need a chin weight. If you want to skip your ballyhoo and have it laying on its side then don’t use a chin weight. I always use a chin weight, although in the past I have also caught fish without using one.
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I don't have a ton of experience on Ballyhoo but my friend that lives in Hawaii made an awesome rig to run ballyhoo. It runs super good and actually works with all types of fish. If you look up Nitta Fishing on Youtube you should be able to see some of this stuff.
This is the link for Nitta Rig on amazon. https://amzn.to/2WC9h7O
I would recommend running these hooks with it. They work great. 7/0 size https://amzn.to/2EWbVuc


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The joe Shute is the weight. No need for additional
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Thats what i thought but wasnt sure when using a light joe shute
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Many people have varying opinions but like ptag said, I prefer the chin weight. Yes, the shute is the weight but the added chin weight keeps the hoo on keel when it runs. I've personally had way more luck running them with small chin weights so that is what we are going back to this season.
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If you're running a 3oz Joe Shute, you do not need a chin weight.
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Never saw one of those. What is it? Is it just to hold the baits head and the weight up the line a little so the hook can be exposed rather than buried in the bait?

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No weight.

A properly rigged bait, will run right without it.
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Originally Posted by scallen2112 View Post
Never saw one of those. What is it? Is it just to hold the baits head and the weight up the line a little so the hook can be exposed rather than buried in the bait?
This is a great video showing you how to rig it. It works great from what lots of my friends tell me. Im more of a live bait guy, I use his live bait zips they work great.
Link to his live Bait zips: https://amzn.to/2MJRZRk

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OK, that's pretty cool. I've been using Mustad needle eyes poked through the body cavity and into the mouth with a chin weight and poking wire up through his head. But I've got to rig up a whole bunch of them before going out. This looks like you can make a few rigs and just attach a fresh bait on the go. Nice.
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Originally Posted by scallen2112 View Post
OK, that's pretty cool. I've been using Mustad needle eyes poked through the body cavity and into the mouth with a chin weight and poking wire up through his head. But I've got to rig up a whole bunch of them before going out. This looks like you can make a few rigs and just attach a fresh bait on the go. Nice.
Yes its designed for fast and easy rigging.
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The lighter the weight, the better the mate.

A chin weight isn't designed for depth (that's what your skirt is for, whether it's a 3 oz Shute, a 1 oz BWC Bling, or 1/4 oz sea witch) as much as it is a keel to make the bait swim upright properly.
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That seems like alot of hardware, nice to set hook back but .......... I think most guys could rig a balley as fast as installing that harware,
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The lighter the weight, the better the mate.
i disagree....some of the best mates in the world in Costa Rica fish 1oz chin weights in flat calm water.

That old adage doesn’t fly.....keeping the ballyhoo in the water swimming properly is the most important part.
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i disagree....some of the best mates in the world in Costa Rica fish 1oz chin weights in flat calm water.

That old adage doesn’t fly.....keeping the ballyhoo in the water swimming properly is the most important part.
True. Old adages are definitely not universal axioms that cover everything.
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i disagree....some of the best mates in the world in Costa Rica fish 1oz chin weights in flat calm water.

That old adage doesn’t fly.....keeping the ballyhoo in the water swimming properly is the most important part.
Depends on how fast you're trolling, where the ballyhoo is in the spread, etc. For example, your long riggers may need no weight at all. Short riggers tight to the boat may need 1oz.

There is not necessarily a lot of misinformation in this thread but a lot of heavy opinion and "lore."

I can tell everyone on here that a ballyhoo will run differently behind a lure with or without a chin weight. I've been doing this for a very very very long time. Every single ballyhoo you rig without a chin weight will more than likely run on it's side when behind a lure head without a keel weight. Some even with a keel weighted lure head it will still have the bait run on it's side. You may catch a load of fish this way. Some people do. I have not had good luck with that so I went back to 1/2 oz chin weights on my ballyhoo behind lures.

There are too many factors and little things to explain to cover this in one post.
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