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Old 06-12-2019, 01:32 PM
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Best investment I ever made as a mate was a sign that said

"Customary mate gratuity is 15-20% of charter"
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Old 06-12-2019, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
you can biminitwist it (see what I did there) however you want Capt. doesn't matter to me. been on enough charters in various parts of the country and world to be able to chime in.

wasn't entirely directed at you but at the industry as a whole, so don't get yourself too worked up. run your business how you see fit. the customer will determine the rest for you. mate or capt don't like the job? time to move to another line of work.

good luck.
As says the guy with no skin in the game.

I make it a point to charter boats all over the world and have.

Your correct, after 50 plus charters over the years that I paid for and tipped and running thousands on my end I am clueless.

I own, and always have owned my boats.

It ain't an option to move on Mr. No skin in the game.

Many Captains aren't hired help despite what you think you know.

They have all their skin in the game!
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Boat Hound View Post

Cant agree more. It’s not a tip if it 100% expected. That would be a fee. It’s a total BS scam. Just raise the price of the charter to pay the mate.

Tips have ave become the new participation trophy.
It is a fee and you are expected to pay it, it's the custom. They should just drop the percentage tip languge and call it what it is, the mate fee
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
As says the guy with no skin in the game.

I make it a point to charter boats all over the world and have.

Your correct, after 50 plus charters over the years that I paid for and tipped and running thousands on my end I am clueless.

I own, and always have owned my boats.

It ain't an option to move on Mr. No skin in the game.

Many Captains aren't hired help despite what you think you know.

They have all their skin in the game!
whatever you say, homes.

Keep shaking customers down at the dock rather than raising your rate $X to make you and your mate whole.



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Old 06-12-2019, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Boat Hound View Post
I have no problem tipping 20% (even more in really rare cases), but I shouldn't be shamed into 20% if doing 1/2 the work or we get skunked. Unless there are a total a-hole, there is usually some tip. My issue is people screaming (yes I have been yelled at) because 20% is expected. Tips are for above and beyond. No one should go unpaid, but I pay upfront for costs, which should include a mates share.
I agree and maybe didn't convey my thoughts that well.
My mate and myself get paid every time the boat leaves the dock, it's in the price of the trip tip or not!

My website reads tips are appropriate and appreciated in the FAQ. No % mentioned.

99% of the time I get the balance of the trip minus deposit walking with my customers to their car carrying some of their stuff. I have never counted money or even looked at a check until they are long gone. My mate and I have sat down in the pit at the end of a long day and he says how did we do.

Pop a cold one and I empty my pockets right there in the pit with my mate as the closure for the day. We actually laugh a lot of times when I say we got no tip according to the check they handed me in the parking lot. That's when my mate pulls the 4 100 dollar bills out and tells me so and so said have some fun and split it with cappy cause he is still up there cleaning fish and we didn't want to bother him.

I will say again tips are appropriate and appreciated in the personal service industry. 8 hours on a boat is about as up close and personal as you can get in the service industry.

That is my tip for the day!

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Old 06-12-2019, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post


whatever you say, homes.

Keep shaking customers down at the dock rather than raising your rate $X to make you and your mate whole.




Please show me where I'm shaking anyone down.

I can add 20% for a holes and still get my money from folks like some here. I can say an 8 hour trip dock to dock no exceptions. I can cut every corner to make money and be competitive with others doing the same.
Or, I can be mid range in price, go the extra mile and have customers that come back time and time again that usually tip 20% or better just because they have paid the included charge for what they didn't get from the other guy. Yea, the other guy that says up front 20% is going to the mate of this agreed price, you know, the mate that is getting paid a tip before he leaves the dock.

It's my gamble and not yours. I would gladly increase my price out the door for you to include a 20% increase and if like many in the busy with dummy tourists locations could care less if I ever see you again.

I can tell you straight up, there are tons of money being paid out to marketing, reviews and all sorts of crazy shit that you as the consumer are paying for. In the end if you look at what some are paying for the booking services, internet, reviews and credit cards your already supporting better than 10% of what is going to the charter owner.

I only take cash or personal checks for payment so you already just tipped me 3 to 5% without you knowing it. And, I have that money the minute I put my hands on it.

I suppose I could take a credit card and add the tip and adjust up 23% for your convenience and you could say you stiffed me because the service sucked.

That is the same reason I will not ever eat in a restaurant that adds gratuity to the bill.
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:21 AM
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My father and I run our company. Just the two of us, I work as the mate he drives the boat. Both are licensed and split duties he’s there beside me helping me out if things get busy. We are a team and my pay is strictly tips. It is mentioned in our website and only had a handful of people say my father was a cheap bastard. Try being competitive in pricing to all the other boats in the area. What most of you don’t realize there are times when we slow down to maybe a trip a week, bills still need to be paid. there are days when I get stuffed but that’s the way it is sometimes, my dad will throw me some money my way to help cover expenses (fuel, food, drinks).

Those people who who don’t tip or are rude get a check mark next to their name in the book. Plenty of boats in our area you can fish with. Bottom line is the guys who are booking trips want to fish and for the most part they know the costs associated with a trip.
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Old 06-14-2019, 09:14 AM
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I don't disagree with the notion that "tipping" in general has gotten out of control, there's a jar at every damn cash register now.

However, the notion that a charter can just raise their rate to account for what should be a customary tip is not as simple as it sounds. On its face, and unless the industry has a whole makes this shift, it will price the charter out of the market in what is an already competitive low margin business. Unfortunately many less informed customers make purchase decisions with their wallet and go with whomever has the better face rate, not accounting for the tip.

So what is the rule of thumb today anyway for tipping charters? Is it really 20% to the captain and 20% to the mate?! Or 20% to the boat for a job well done which gets split? Some owner/captains do not expect tips for themselves and encourage tipping just the mate.
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Old 06-14-2019, 09:49 AM
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as long as there a kids willing to work for someone who pays them peanuts or less, get a tan, gets some sea hours, with the hope of checking out some hot tourist chick on a charter and hoping they make a few extra $$ at the end of the day, nothing will change.
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Old 06-14-2019, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Fish'nFool View Post
I don't disagree with the notion that "tipping" in general has gotten out of control, there's a jar at every damn cash register now.

However, the notion that a charter can just raise their rate to account for what should be a customary tip is not as simple as it sounds. On its face, and unless the industry has a whole makes this shift, it will price the charter out of the market in what is an already competitive low margin business. Unfortunately many less informed customers make purchase decisions with their wallet and go with whomever has the better face rate, not accounting for the tip.

So what is the rule of thumb today anyway for tipping charters? Is it really 20% to the captain and 20% to the mate?! Or 20% to the boat for a job well done which gets split? Some owner/captains do not expect tips for themselves and encourage tipping just the mate.
Depends on many different things.
15 to 20 % is normal for the cost of the total charter.

Arrangements made between the captain and crew should be of no concern to the customer. I spelled it out earlier in my situation. My fixed cost are including paying the mate, tip or not.

The tip is shared as it takes both of us being on our game to get one, we normally do and we split it. One of us has a off day we both suffer.

A good mate and captain working together are a team. They will most likely get tipped as a team. The team arrangements are between the Captain and the mate after the customers are long gone they decide who gets what. It will vary from day to day if you are tight with your mate.

Been plenty of tough days where we get a shitty tip. We both got paid for the day up front and there is a 50 bucks left in a small tip.
I tell him to just keep it all, we will do better next trip.

Lot's of variables and very few good mates are working for tips only despite what the sticker says.

Good mates are washing, rigging, helping change oil and so on during the days the boat doesn't leave the dock. If they are only working for tips at their job they are dock walkers trying to collect some drinking money and won't show the day you need them.

Their responsibilities far exceed your server at Outback if they are a good mate!
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Old 06-16-2019, 12:08 PM
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20bimini twist , you are right on. While I retired from chartering 12 years ago, I had pretty much the same arrangements with my mates.
My mate and I always had an agreed upon pay rate that was part of the charter fee. After customers left we would split the tip 50/50.
You are 100% correct, the capt. (owner or not), and mate are a team .
As usual, enjoy your posts. Capt. Billy/Right Stuff
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