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Old 06-09-2019, 05:59 PM
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And also any tip given to me is given to the Mate also. He is the hardest worker on the boat. Never had a problem with this in the past just got a new boat and needed to update the sticker and was seeing. If there was something crafty all ready made. But it's all good
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:05 PM
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My guess is that the people who don't tip probably have no intention of re-booking anyhow.
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:15 PM
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I run a inshore guide service. Iím the Capt and mate. Take a lot of families that have never been on a guided trip at all so they really donít know to tip. Putting some stickers on the boat has helped IMO. I donít expect a tip but it sure does suck when I work my tail off catch a limit of fish, stay a little longer and donít get a tip.

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Old 06-10-2019, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Fishoi View Post


well I guess we could include mate pay into cost of charter. What do you think a mate should make?
Enough to live on would be a good start.
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Tipping is very much a local culture thing. I worked as a hired captain and sailing instructor in San Francisco and fairly quickly developed a "rule" about client's tipping behavior. You could draw circles on a map concentric on Manhattan. The closer to the center of those circles people lived, the more likely you were to get a tip. Home address anywhere in New York City? Guaranteed tip. Chicago? 50/50. Los Angles? So near zero as to never mind. And customers from Europe don't know the meaning of the word.

I wonder why the basic minimum wage laws that cover the restaurant business don't apply to your boat. In the food business, you don't have to pay someone the full legal minimum wage if tips are expected, but you DO have to pay them SOMETHING, and be sure that they make at least minimum wage.

On a small boat private charter, I would normally tip both Captain AND crew unless I found out the Captain wasn't paying the crew anything, and then I'd be sure to stiff him. Screw him if he can't pay 10% of his charter fee to the crew.

This thread is the first I ever heard of crews getting no pay AT ALL except for tips. I think it stinks, mostly because your "cheap" charter is a cheapass bait and switch price. But if it is legal, and works for you... I'll not tell you not to do--it it's your business. But I'd not go out on a boat that worked that way. That's my choice.
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Old 06-10-2019, 08:50 PM
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Well I guess stay on the dock then. There is usally a agreed amount before the job starts. But for the most part the charter well exceeds that amount with tip.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:29 PM
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If ya canít afford to tip, you canít afford the charter
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Old 06-11-2019, 05:39 AM
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Tossedabout "If I was a mate I’d tell Captain YOU wash the boat I don’t work for you." You wouldn't be a mate long.
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A boat or anyone that doesn't pay a worker is a slave owner. Some day in some place where that is common, a mate is going to sue for back wages and collect big.
In Montauk a mate is paid around $70 for a half day trip and typically gets 20% tip on a $600-$700 charter

But don't quit your job and come on out looking to strike it rich. There is no housing available
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Tossedabout View Post

exactly! Human greed has reached every industry.
id personally never charter a boat that had that sticker. If I was a mate Iíd tell Captain YOU wash the boat I donít work for you.

Remember back when when tips were EARNED???
For good service?
Now it pretty much pay the captain and the mate.

Love be to see everyone STOP giving ANY tips. Service would improve as mates/captains would behave differently.

Tips are for service above and beyond NOT a given.
Mans we wonder why our country is starting to suck
Right, too many cheap skates are bringing it down.
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:41 AM
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And if you drop
A rod overboard
You will work for the captain
As if he is lord

You'll sweep and you'll swab
The decks all day long
And follow his orders
Right or wrong

You'll work through the night
Checking the stores
Prepping and washing
There are endless chores

So when morning comes
And your mind is gone
You'll say to yourself
"I should have held on".
HaHA, I hadn't heard the rest of that before. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 06-11-2019, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tossedabout View Post

exactly! Human greed has reached every industry.
id personally never charter a boat that had that sticker. If I was a mate Iíd tell Captain YOU wash the boat I donít work for you.

Remember back when when tips were EARNED???
For good service?
Now it pretty much pay the captain and the mate.

Love be to see everyone STOP giving ANY tips. Service would improve as mates/captains would behave differently.

Tips are for service above and beyond NOT a given.
Mans we wonder why our country is starting to suck

Lordy. Mates working for tips has been the practice for forever in charter boating. That's why most of them are young guys, and then move to the bridge when they get a shot. It's the same as a waiter in a restaurant. Do y'all complain about tipping them as well?
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Old 06-12-2019, 03:29 AM
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Capts that don't pay their mates are cheap SOB's. Any mate that does his job and takes care of the customers deserves a paycheck. A mate that hustles and takes care of the customer in a professional way also deserves a tip. Lazy mates with attitudes deserve to be stiffed.
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Originally Posted by Tossedabout View Post

exactly! Human greed has reached every industry.
id personally never charter a boat that had that sticker. If I was a mate Iíd tell Captain YOU wash the boat I donít work for you.

Remember back when when tips were EARNED???
For good service?
Now it pretty much pay the captain and the mate.

Love be to see everyone STOP giving ANY tips. Service would improve as mates/captains would behave differently.

Tips are for service above and beyond NOT a given.
Mans we wonder why our country is starting to suck
Cant agree more. Itís not a tip if it 100% expected. That would be a fee. Itís a total BS scam. Just raise the price of the charter to pay the mate.

Tips have ave become the new participation trophy.
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Cant agree more. Itís not a tip if it 100% expected. That would be a fee. Itís a total BS scam. Just raise the price of the charter to pay the mate.

Tips have ave become the new participation trophy.
I pay my mate 150 bucks a day. We share duties from start to finish. Being we mostly bottom fish I am in the pit almost the entire time helping out and not just sitting on the bridge all day. Yep, baiting hooks, taking fish off, getting drinks and so on. We normally get pretty big tips because it's like having two mates. I clean the fish and the mate cleans the boat while I finish up with the customers. Then, the mate and I finish up, load up the gear and I drive him home as we live close to each other. We then split the tip.

We have busted our ass on tough days to get stiffed. We have busted our as on good days and gotten stiffed. It's rare, but does happen. The few that do stiff us get a little check mark in the book. They won't get the extra hour of fishing time or a variety of things that we do above and beyond on every trip the next time.

If it happened a bunch I would just raise my prices to make sure my mate goes home with 250 bucks in his pocket for what turns out to be a 14 hour day.

If you find a good charter boat most people don't think twice about tipping 20%.
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:56 AM
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no skin in the game here...

I'd prefer the business owner raise the cost of the charter to cover whatever it is they need to cover. doesn't matter who does what for responsibilities on deck or @ the helm. charter costs $X. capt takes his cut, mate gets his. cool. capt / owner can figure out whatever those #s are well before trip is booked or rates are advertised.

this hold up at the the dock with your hand out looking for more on top of the $X someone just spent is beyond brutal at this point. oh you get a check mark in my little black book? F off.

that said, trip costs $X and you still go above and beyond expectations, sure i'll gladly hand out a couple bucks and buy you a beer at the bar at the end of the dock.

this not paying your help stuff, you're just a shitty person.

edit - the restaurant server to mate stuff is apples to oranges.
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
no skin in the game here...

I'd prefer the business owner raise the cost of the charter to cover whatever it is they need to cover. doesn't matter who does what for responsibilities on deck or @ the helm. charter costs $X. capt takes his cut, mate gets his. cool. capt / owner can figure out whatever those #s are well before trip is booked or rates are advertised.

this hold up at the the dock with your hand out looking for more on top of the $X someone just spent is beyond brutal at this point. oh you get a check mark in my little black book? F off.

that said, trip costs $X and you still go above and beyond expectations, sure i'll gladly hand out a couple bucks and buy you a beer at the bar at the end of the dock.

this not paying your help stuff, you're just a shitty person.

edit - the restaurant server to mate stuff is apples to oranges.

Where did I say I hold up anyone at the dock with my hand out?

I also did say that when I extend the trips time if the fishing is tough and go way above and beyond and you ain't smart enough to realize it and show some appreciation you will get the check mark. And You can F off next time if you think I am gonna stay out longer, clean your fish a certain desired way, use twice as many zip locks as you requested different ways you wanted it split up and so on and so on.

I also stated that I pay my mate 150 bucks a day and we split what tips we get.

"edit - the restaurant server to mate stuff is apples to oranges."

It sure is. That server doesn't have to be with you non stop catering to your needs, helping your kids or wife and entertaining you for 8 hours non stop in a confined space.

"doesn't matter who does what for responsibilities on deck or @ the helm."

I suppose you have never been on a charter where they Captain never comes off the bridge all day and the mate has to do everything in the Pit. Common occurrence when trolling all day. I could stay up there all day on the bridge when we anchor up. In the shade and always cooler than in the pit. I choose to come down stairs, bait hooks, help the mate and help the anglers that need help, you know, teaching them some stuff and entertaining them. Some of the more savvy folks know that they are getting a little extra service, some don't and no matter what are never satisfied. I make note of that as should the customer if the experience was bad.

Bad experience for the customer means he doesn't come back if he is smart. Bad experience for the Captain and Mate means we don't care if you come back and that is why I keep track.

I had several groups wanting opening day of ARS if the weather was gonna be good. Soon as we got the good forecast I will let you guess who I called first. Got tipped very well and we came in early cause it was hotter than hell and they had plenty of fish. They also new that I had spent a lot of time the day before to get the baits that can't be bought and had them in the well when they got to the dock. We were already fishing that morning while some other charters were still trying to catch bait when we went by them. The customers showed their appreciation for the effort and I damn sure didn't ask for it.
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Where did I say I hold up anyone at the dock with my hand out?

I also did say that when I extend the trips time if the fishing is tough and go way above and beyond and you ain't smart enough to realize it and show some appreciation you will get the check mark. And You can F off next time if you think I am gonna stay out longer, clean your fish a certain desired way, use twice as many zip locks as you requested different ways you wanted it split up and so on and so on.

I also stated that I pay my mate 150 bucks a day and we split what tips we get.

"edit - the restaurant server to mate stuff is apples to oranges."

It sure is. That server doesn't have to be with you non stop catering to your needs, helping your kids or wife and entertaining you for 8 hours non stop in a confined space.

"doesn't matter who does what for responsibilities on deck or @ the helm."

I suppose you have never been on a charter where they Captain never comes off the bridge all day and the mate has to do everything in the Pit. Common occurrence when trolling all day. I could stay up there all day on the bridge when we anchor up. In the shade and always cooler than in the pit. I choose to come down stairs, bait hooks, help the mate and help the anglers that need help, you know, teaching them some stuff and entertaining them. Some of the more savvy folks know that they are getting a little extra service, some don't and no matter what are never satisfied. I make note of that as should the customer if the experience was bad.

Bad experience for the customer means he doesn't come back if he is smart. Bad experience for the Captain and Mate means we don't care if you come back and that is why I keep track.

I had several groups wanting opening day of ARS if the weather was gonna be good. Soon as we got the good forecast I will let you guess who I called first. Got tipped very well and we came in early cause it was hotter than hell and they had plenty of fish. They also new that I had spent a lot of time the day before to get the baits that can't be bought and had them in the well when they got to the dock. We were already fishing that morning while some other charters were still trying to catch bait when we went by them. The customers showed their appreciation for the effort and I damn sure didn't ask for it.
you can biminitwist it (see what I did there) however you want Capt. doesn't matter to me. been on enough charters in various parts of the country and world to be able to chime in.

wasn't entirely directed at you but at the industry as a whole, so don't get yourself too worked up. run your business how you see fit. the customer will determine the rest for you. mate or capt don't like the job? time to move to another line of work.

good luck.

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I pay my mate 150 bucks a day. We share duties from start to finish. Being we mostly bottom fish I am in the pit almost the entire time helping out and not just sitting on the bridge all day. Yep, baiting hooks, taking fish off, getting drinks and so on. We normally get pretty big tips because it's like having two mates. I clean the fish and the mate cleans the boat while I finish up with the customers. Then, the mate and I finish up, load up the gear and I drive him home as we live close to each other. We then split the tip.

We have busted our ass on tough days to get stiffed. We have busted our as on good days and gotten stiffed. It's rare, but does happen. The few that do stiff us get a little check mark in the book. They won't get the extra hour of fishing time or a variety of things that we do above and beyond on every trip the next time.

If it happened a bunch I would just raise my prices to make sure my mate goes home with 250 bucks in his pocket for what turns out to be a 14 hour day.

If you find a good charter boat most people don't think twice about tipping 20%.
I have no problem tipping 20% (even more in really rare cases), but I shouldn't be shamed into 20% if doing 1/2 the work or we get skunked. Unless there are a total a-hole, there is usually some tip. My issue is people screaming (yes I have been yelled at) because 20% is expected. Tips are for above and beyond. No one should go unpaid, but I pay upfront for costs, which should include a mates share.
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Capt's not paying mates are also saving on the tax game, basically free labor, no paper trail,1099, workers comp, nothing.
I have never chartered and do not plan on it, but IMHO charter rates should cover all cost including a decent mate rate, tips should be earned and most likely will be paid for a good time.
Anyone working for me, taking care of my customers, my boat, my equipment, would be paid accordingly.
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