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Old 06-03-2019, 02:30 PM
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A. I never have and never will EVER be close to this rule. My ride is strictly PRIVATEER!

B. But just wondering.

C. I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. Sorry if this is the umpteenth time it's mention lol!!

The United States Coast Guard (USCG) is currently investigating and issuing violations to owners of vessels offering unlicensed charter services in the states of New Jersey and Delaware.

Hiring an unlicensed charter is dangerous because it may not have the proper emergency safety gear, may not have the proper navigation and communication gear, and may not have undergone the proper license exams and inspections, which are put in place to ensure passenger safety.

“People paying to take an excursion on the water deserve safe vessels operated by properly licensed individuals,” said Capt. Scott Anderson, Commanding Officer of Coast Guard Sector Delaware Bay.

“Vessel operators who skirt the regulations undercut legitimate licensed operators and put their passengers at risk. Paying customers can play a key role in keeping our waters safe by asking to see a license before departing, and they can ask to see the inspection sticker if vessels are carrying more than six passengers,” Capt. Anderson added.

Unlicensed vessel operators may not be aware that using their boat to take members of the public out for hire is illegal and may view it as a way to supplement income; however it is against the law.

Anyone considering chartering or operating their vessel with passengers for hire should contact Sector Delaware Bay Marine Inspections at 215-908-9827 or DomesticVessels@uscg.mil to discuss how regulations apply to you.

In accordance with Title 46 U.S. Code § 4106, if a vessel is operated in violation of applicable laws and regulations, the owner, charterer, managing operator, agent, master and individual in charge may be liable for a civil penalty up to $10,519 per violation per day.

USCG urges the fishing and boating community to remain vigilant and report any suspicious operations to 215-271-4807 or email PhillyIO@uscg.mil.

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Is your question whats an unlicensed charter? Simple, illegal.
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Old 06-03-2019, 02:33 PM
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We have had guys sphere 'promote' that they are just looking for people (strangers) to split expenses.

To me if they are just splitting gas/diesel well 'maybe' that's close to the letter of the law.
When they add in dock, tackle, insurance, depreciation, etc to me that's clearly a violation of what I know of the rules.
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Originally Posted by gregb5220 View Post
Is your question whats an unlicensed charter? Simple, illegal.
Yes I want to know the exact rules. And how it's interpreted in practical terms.
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Things will certainly get interesting with “Boat Sharing” apps like Getmyboat and Boatsetter.

The same way an Uber or Lyft is not a cab?

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What are you “ just wondering “

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Originally Posted by fireisland1 View Post
What are you “ just wondering “

He's asking for a friend.
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Originally Posted by fireisland1 View Post
What are you “ just wondering “
A. I never have and never will EVER be close to this rule. My ride is strictly PRIVATEER!
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If ANY type of payment, whether it's cash or sharing expenses or anything else, is REQUIRED for the people to get on your boat, YOU ARE CHARTERING. Get the required credentials, equipment, insurance, etc. and be legal to avoid any problems. When one of the drunks falls down and slices his leg open, bleeding all over the deck and sues you, you will be glad you took the time to comply.
They still making Privateers?
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Oh come on. Almost every boat in the OC MD WMO spilts their expenses. It costs 15 to 25K to get into many big money contests. For those boats who do have crews of friends it's pre agreed, costs are split. Many of those rides are not charters.
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It takes a few weekends a few hundred $ to get it done. Just do it.
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Old 06-03-2019, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mikie View Post
If ANY type of payment, whether it's cash or sharing expenses or anything else, is REQUIRED for the people to get on your boat, YOU ARE CHARTERING. Get the required credentials, equipment, insurance, etc. and be legal to avoid any problems. When one of the drunks falls down and slices his leg open, bleeding all over the deck and sues you, you will be glad you took the time to comply.
They still making Privateers?
It's like you all suffer from reading comprehension. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME. I hope you are talking rhetorically!
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Well, guess you can sleep easy tonight knowing you’re not breaking any of the us government RULES! This normally keeps me awake at night, and I yearn for some more laws so the government can provide for my safety. Also, big thanks for the link to the snitch line, I’ll keep it on speed dial in my phone and drop a dime on anyone I’m suspicious of. PS - I think my neighbor might smoke a joint every now and then, any links on how to make a citizens arrest would be great! 👍🏿
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You wanted to know what was LEGAL. Now you know. What you do is up to you. You know the old saying, Everything is legal, until you get caught!
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the difference in my eyes is marketing. if a friend gives me $50 towards fuel and bait i don’t think I’m doing anything wrong. However if I say on Instagram or Facebook or anywhere else that I’m willing to take people out for $50 then I’m breaking the law.
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Originally Posted by mikie View Post
You wanted to know what was LEGAL. Now you know. What you do is up to you. You know the old saying, Everything is legal, until you get caught!
What would I get caught for?
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Trollin?
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Or maybe being STUPID and posting the whole mess on a website the USCG monitors daily.
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Originally Posted by mikie View Post
Or maybe being STUPID and posting the whole mess on a website the USCG monitors daily.

Haha so you ARE accusing me of chartering in any way shape or form!! THAT'S PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! Proves you can't read, and have no ability to think either.

So tell us "mikie" are all those private boats who split expenses at your White Marlin Open "stupid" and about to "get caught"??
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In the UK the CG allows the splitting of costs on a private boat but very clearly defines it as the direct costs of the trip, so you can split fuel (and oil if 2T) and biat, but cannot make a contribution to standing costs. Also must be someone already known to you so you can ask friends, work colleagues etc to come with you, but you can’t advertise for someone to come along and split costs.
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