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Mono Top Shot Sizing to Hollow Core Braid

Old 05-31-2019, 07:12 PM
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Is there a chart that says what size mono fits best as a top shot inside of what size HC braid? I am wanting to run something like 80lb braid to 50 or 60lb mono. But I have never done this before and have no idea what size will work best? I don't want real heavy mono and I plan on getting a needle set to do it with. I will be putting this on some AVET HX reels fishing for Blackfin Tuna, Yellowfin Tuna, Dorado, Wahoo in the southern gulf coast.

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While not a chart, I sent the following question to Diamond Fishing a few years ago....

What's the smallest diameter mono splice that will securely splice with your 80lb hollow core braid? is it lb-to-lb? ie: 80lb mono to the matching hollow core?

And got the following answer...

50lb would be the smallest up to 130lb with 80lb hollow core - You could possibly use 150 but it is a pain and takes a lot of work.

Hopefully this helps.
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So 80lb HC to 60lb Mono should be fine?
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Old 05-31-2019, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by thirdcoaststroker View Post
So 80lb HC to 60lb Mono should be fine?
This. ^^ Put hollow core JB on reel, splice loop in end of hollow core, and attach 150 yard mono topshot from BHP Tackle to the hollow core with a loop to loop connection. The HC will last for years. Easy to take apart the loop-to-loop connection and replace your topshot every year or two.
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It will vary between each brand of HC braid you're using and it varies GREATLY..... I am using 60lb momoi diamond hollow core and I can get 40lb momoi diamond flouro to lock in no problem. I actually got 30lb Momoi Diam. fluoro to hold good as well. 60lb JB wouldn't hold 40lb fluoro, I think 50lb slipped also if I remember correctly. I highly recommend the Momoi diamond hollow and the best part is it is about the cheapest hollow you can buy...

Here's the good news. you can buy whatever brand/size hollow you want for your reel and just splice a loop in the end. Then you can buy whatever size hollow you need for what size leader your using. Then you build your wind on and it connects to the mainline via a loop to loop. You can buy toro tamer and power pro hollow ace in small quantities just for making leaders....
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Less of a problem with mono too small, I have found that mono _too large_ is an issue.

Right where the mono ends, and the diameter drops off quickly to the braid it sets up a "stress riser" and causes a weak point. Frequently this is where the braid will fail--well below its rated strength. I have tried tapering the mono end, but with only minor success at reducing the issue. I have not been able to get full strength splices with 80lb mono into 50lb braid because of this problem. It never slips, but the braid breaks right at the reel end of the splice where the mono creates a shoulder. A wind-on leader built with heavier braid and looped to the main line solves the problem. It also means if I bimini twist the loop onto the main line I can use solid core braid if that is what I want and still get a 100% join.

For making separate wind-on leaders you can even use old-fashioned hollow-core dacron. It splices even easier than PE braid, and its larger diameter makes it easy to run larger size mono shockleader material up inside. If you have been fishing long enough you probably have spools of it in the basement somewhere!
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Old 06-01-2019, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by thirdcoaststroker View Post
So 80lb HC to 60lb Mono should be fine?
Yes that will be fine.

I’m not a fan of loop-to-loop. Here’s a very informative video of a splice and serve technique. Easy to do and not very bulky.


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60 mono to 80 HC will work just fine .
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so for these particular reels I am thinking 100 yards of 60lb momoi diamonad mono to an 80lb braid leader? is that good? too long? too short?
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Originally Posted by thirdcoaststroker View Post
so for these particular reels I am thinking 100 yards of 60lb momoi diamonad mono to an 80lb braid leader? is that good? too long? too short?
Braid leader ? You mean mono leader. Put 100 yards of the 60 mono on top of the 80 HC.
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Braid leader ? You mean mono leader. Put 100 yards of the 60 mono on top of the 80 HC.
whoops, few to many whiskeys, yes. Mono top shot on braid backing.
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Originally Posted by Lone Ono View Post

Yes that will be fine.

I’m not a fan of loop-to-loop. Here’s a very informative video of a splice and serve technique. Easy to do and not very bulky.

https://youtu.be/NI-wPwmgmzg

Word of caution to others as food for thought: Thats obviously a sound technique but just go into knowing that a loss of significant line on the boat fishing puts you back to square one vs being able to do biminis and have extra wind-ons on hand for loop to loop. In other words, direct serve is relatively a permanent risk vs temporary issue and relatively quick fix with bimini, wind-ons and loop to loop.

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Originally Posted by mdees88 View Post
It will vary between each brand of HC braid you're using and it varies GREATLY....
... and I'll humbly submit to be careful when looking at "diameter" of hollow core as that is not a perfect measurement like mono or fluoro and not a perfect correlation for matching.


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Word of caution to others as food for thought: Thats obviously a sound technique but just go into knowing that a loss of significant line on the boat fishing puts you back to square one vs being able to do biminis and have extra wind-ons on hand for loop to loop. In other words, direct serve is relatively a permanent risk vs temporary issue and relatively quick fix with bimini, wind-ons and loop to loop.
If you’re doing a 100 yard topshot you can usually handle a couple cut-offs or some chafe. If you carry one of Texas Blue’s loop topshots you can always throw a Bimini in the braid and you’re no worse for the wear.

I have the luxury of carrying extra sticks so I don’t do much rigging on the boat, just swap sticks.
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Originally Posted by Lone Ono View Post

Yes that will be fine.

I’m not a fan of loop-to-loop. Here’s a very informative video of a splice and serve technique. Easy to do and not very bulky.


https://youtu.be/NI-wPwmgmzg
Wow so this works? I can stop using solid braid and glue to lock the chinese finger??
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Wow so this works? I can stop using solid braid and glue to lock the chinese finger??
Technically speaking you don't need glue. You whip the serve and can be done. That said, some of us do a couple of other things but there is zero reliance on glue for playing a significant role in the strength or integrity of the connection.

And, again, as Lone and I pointed out, if that connection in the direct serve is compromised, or you lose significant line, you'll be out of luck unless you can re-do on the boat or do Bimini's and have wind-ons as alternative. All that to say if you want an actual top shot/wind-on.
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Wow so this works? I can stop using solid braid and glue to lock the chinese finger??
When the serve is laid down over the “loose” spiral wraps it actually deforms the mono beneath (corkscrew). No glue or rigging floss will improve this serve.

My first field test came on the second splice I did this way. A two-plus YFT and don’t you know the fish decided to make a stand right where splice was in my guides. The splice passed through the guides six times before we got past that point and moved on the the end game.

100% line test, no knots, no loops, no worries. Takes 4-5 minutes to do.
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OK off to bench test!
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OK off to bench test!
So, how did that go for you?
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