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resurrecting 30 yr old Penn Senator Combos

Old 05-12-2019, 10:14 AM
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Iím getting into nearshore fishing and like to catch Spaniards and wreck fish. I want to try and catch cobia, tarpon and kings this year. I fish from a Parker 1801.

My my dad just gave me a Tld 15 and two Penn Senator 3/0s (113h, I think) combos. These have been sitting in his garage for the last 30 yrs.

I want to put these back into service for my purposes.

The tld seems good to go. I just need line and a new rod tip

The penn rods are 4/0 s- 3240 rf 30-50 lbs. the have roller guides for the tip top and lower most guides. I have removed the roller assemblies and they will need a few replacement parts to work again. I have not figured out what brand or size guides they are. I have no experience using rollers.

Im wondering if I should switch the rollers to to rings, Replace with newer more modern rollers such as Aftco lightweight rollers, or just find the parts I need to repair whatís there, or something else?

Also, the Senator reels have a build up of white salt or crud on the spools. I was able to get some of it off with a brush and soapy water, but a lot remains. I donít want to gouge the spool doing it. Suggestions?
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Old 05-12-2019, 10:47 AM
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Iím getting into nearshore fishing and like to catch Spaniards and wreck fish. I want to try and catch cobia, tarpon and kings this year. I fish from a Parker 1801.

My my dad just gave me a Tld 15 and two Penn Senator 3/0s (113h, I think) combos. These have been sitting in his garage for the last 30 yrs.

I want to put these back into service for my purposes.

The tld seems good to go. I just need line and a new rod tip

The penn rods are 4/0 s- 3240 rf 30-50 lbs. the have roller guides for the tip top and lower most guides. I have removed the roller assemblies and they will need a few replacement parts to work again. I have not figured out what brand or size guides they are. I have no experience using rollers.

Im wondering if I should switch the rollers to to rings, Replace with newer more modern rollers such as Aftco lightweight rollers, or just find the parts I need to repair whatís there, or something else?

Also, the Senator reels have a build up of white salt or crud on the spools. I was able to get some of it off with a brush and soapy water, but a lot remains. I donít want to gouge the spool doing it. Suggestions?
For the spools soak them in white vinegar for a few hours
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Old 05-12-2019, 12:24 PM
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I buy Aftco replacement rollers at my local tackle shop. They're like 5.00 each. As far as the reels go, I strip em down and scour them with Brillo pads and hot water to remove corrosion. If you're careful the chrome doesn't get damaged. If the spools are too far gone, cheap replacements are always listed on eBay, or tackle shops may still have them.
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Old 05-12-2019, 03:48 PM
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I buy Aftco replacement rollers at my local tackle shop. They're like 5.00 each. As far as the reels go, I strip em down and scour them with Brillo pads and hot water to remove corrosion. If you're careful the chrome doesn't get damaged. If the spools are too far gone, cheap replacements are always listed on eBay, or tackle shops may still have them.
Iíve seen the replacements online, but I canít figure out which size I need. Does anyone know how I can figure this out? Would be nice to just put new bearings, rollers and screws in.
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https://aftco.com/products/rollerspare
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the tld 15 is nice size for the small fish you are after, but 113's and roller rods are not gonna let them put up a decent fight, imo.
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Just buy new rods. You can get decent rods for cheaper than fixing the old ones
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:14 AM
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Ricks Reel Service. Forum member here "Triumph Rick". He can make those Senators like new!
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Originally Posted by Bullshipper View Post
the tld 15 is nice size for the small fish you are after, but 113's and roller rods are not gonna let them put up a decent fight, imo.
I don't know, man. Those bull fighters can be pretty tough.
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Sscoville View Post
Also, the Senator reels have a build up of white salt or crud on the spools. I was able to get some of it off with a brush and soapy water, but a lot remains. I don’t want to gouge the spool doing it. Suggestions?
That corrosion has already eaten into the brass if it wont come off with a brush and some work. You can always try some brass wool and WD40. Get the WD40 in liquid form and using a spray bottle, soak the reels down for an hour or so, and dive in with the brass wool. You need to break the reels down and pull the drag washers at the least and clean them and use light drag grease...after sitting for that long, I would not expect them to work very well. Here is a link to a thread on servicing the reels.

In the tutorial I am using fine steel wool, but I found out it could leave bits that would eventually rust...therefore the change to brass wool

Penn Senator 4/0 tutorial
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That corrosion has already eaten into the brass if it wont come off with a brush and some work. You can always try some brass wool and WD40. Get the WD40 in liquid form and using a spray bottle, soak the reels down for an hour or so, and dive in with the brass wool. You need to break the reels down and pull the drag washers at the least and clean them and use light drag grease...after sitting for that long, I would not expect them to work very well. Here is a link to a thread on servicing the reels.

In the tutorial I am using fine steel wool, but I found out it could leave bits that would eventually rust...therefore the change to brass wool

Penn Senator 4/0 tutorial
Do yourself a favor and send the reels to this man
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my bad, I didn't notice that you were after tarpon and cobia. sorry about the small fish comment.
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Some corrosion was on 2 Penn Senator 4/0 that a buddy of mine gifted to me last year.
Both the rod and the reel.
I soaked in some CLR and did have to sand some of the chromed brass on it. They were fine on about 10 trips we did late summer. I elected to not buy anything other than the line that replaced the old braid that was on it.
I have only been using it for bluefish and Spanish trolling though. They are backup rods for heavier trolling. I won't use them for anything heavier.
I do need to inspect them for this season though.
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I came across an old thread on here (rules wonít let me post the link) and this quote-

ďRe: Alantani and other "reel experts" - old Penn 3/0
the 3/0 senator has some unique problems.

first, gear cluster and drag stack are exactly the same as penn 500 jigmaster. the brass gear sleeve starts to round off and drag settings in excess of 8-10 pounds. and even WITH a pennparts.com stainless steel gear sleeve, the stack of three drag washers will only deliver a max of 15#'s of drag. that is comparable to the avet jx and lx, but no where near the acurate 870 or torque 300 that will deliver 30#'s of drag. to add injury to insult, the gap between the spool and inside ring of the side plate is so wide that 20-25# mono and anyone's spectra will get eaten up.

bottom line, the stock penn 112h is suitable only for straight 30# mono and a 25% drag setting of 7.5 pounds. a 112h with a stainless steel gear sleeve is good for straight 30# mono and a 33-40% drag setting of 10-12#'s. i believe that this reel is unfortunately not worthy of spectra.

if you are willing to fish this reel within these parameters, go for it!!!!! alanĒ

Are there anything mods or kits to address these problems with the 3/0112h ? Kinda goofy to have to use 30lb mono with only 7.5lbs of available drag?
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Many of the guys on Alans site are deep into modifying Penn Senators...

It would be worth your while to spend some time over there if you want to know the limits of most anything Penn makes.
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Many of the guys on Alans site are deep into modifying Penn Senators...

It would be worth your while to spend some time over there if you want to know the limits of most anything Penn makes.
Iíll check that out. Thank you
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Many of the guys on Alans site are deep into modifying Penn Senators...

It would be worth your while to spend some time over there if you want to know the limits of most anything Penn makes.
Rick is exactly right here. Those reels may work but clearly need a tear down to get back to where they were in 1980! So either send em to Rick or go over to Alans site. Right now I'm deep into a 9/0 a d really enjoying the challenge AND the knowledge I'm gaining!!
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