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Old 05-15-2019, 07:06 AM
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Biminitwist is right about riding down below in an express at cruising speed, especially in choppy seas. It's tough often to go below and take a leak. But my aft berth below is a remarkably stable place to chill or even sleep underway at speed. It's far enough aft so you don't get knocked around and people just love it. As for the forward berth -- hang on!
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:08 AM
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"Kinda like a down eastern with planing hull, and a bad ass cabin"

This is as close as I have found so far to that description;



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Old 05-15-2019, 08:43 AM
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I prefer the fly bridge. I've had two express boats with towers, and now have a convertible. On the express boats, I always felt like I had to be in the tower so I could maximize my chances of finding fish. Also, I did not have very good visibility from the lower helm to see a fish in the water close to the boat during the fight. This once again put me up in the tower. Unless it was a dead flat day, no one else ever joined me up there. For someone who loves fishing with my long time buddies, I found the tower to be a lonely place. I almost always have someone hanging out with me on the bridge of the convertible. They keep an eye on the baits while I focus on finding the next fish.
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Old 05-15-2019, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
I don't take rest forward on the Bayliss I showed.
Bayliss has been the answer before when I see a really good looking boat and can't quite put my finger on why it looks so much better than everything else around - they just nail those proportions .
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Old 05-16-2019, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ed d View Post
Bayliss has been the answer before when I see a really good looking boat and can't quite put my finger on why it looks so much better than everything else around - they just nail those proportions .

There is no doubt they carry a pedigree and a look that is unique. The more you look the better they get.
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Old 05-17-2019, 01:06 PM
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If I had a bunch of money and I could by one "Day Boat" it would be an updated version of the Gamefisherman. A boat with a salon, the distance from the bridge to the cockpit is very small you can easily talk to each other on both levels, I'd spend allot of extra coin on mufflers and sound proofing to make it quite, perfect vision to fish and fight a fish from, has a tower and no outboards to tangle on. When I hit the lottery I would have one of these on top of my "Ocearch" like vessel along with a 26 Regluator and a flats boat.

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Old 05-21-2019, 06:57 AM
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I will chime in as I have had both. I started with a 36' 1975 Hatteras convertible. Back then, I rigged everything, and ran all the baits, got tired of being alone, etc, so went to a 42' custom carolina express that I had for 7 years. Eventually, I got over standing up for the whole ride out and in as I needed to for visibility. I also got kind of over having everyone standing on top of each other, including me, on the ride out. The first hour I am usually listening to the VHF radio and still planning the area I want to start in, and having everyone around me made it too loud to hear and really get my bearings right. I then moved to a 55' custom carolina sportfish flybridge and LOVED IT! I had my visibility and could actually sit down running out and in. I also liked having some isolation on the way out. I always keep 1 bridge pole up with me, and I have hooked more fish on that one rod than always trying to fight through people on the express. I never really used the tuna tower on my express because when marlin fishing, I needed to be down where the teasers were and in the cockpit. I can run either boat by myself no problem as the bigger flybridges are so heavy, they don't drift super quick, so I can get down and tie lines on my own. A flybridge does require a "mate" though to run the cockpit. I did give up all the rigging I did and running the cockpit, that's the only trade off, but after doing that so long on my own, I don't mind not doing it now. I really do like the Jarrett Bay listed in this thread that has both stations, that boat just needs to be about 10-15 ft longer. Looks to stubby. I remember seeing it a boat show when they just finished it, and I could see having that setup in the future when I get older. After my 55, I had a 62' custom, and just this past fall, sold it, and now am back to a production boat, a Hatt 60gt. If I was going to get another express, I would get it with a marlin tower, and not the tuna tower, as it could act much more like a flybridge, and I think more usable. All boats have their pros and cons. Just my 2 cents.

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Old 05-21-2019, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by wiredup42 View Post
After my 55, I had a 62' custom, and just this past fall, sold it, and now am back to a production boat, a Hatt 60gt. All boats have their pros and cons. Just my 2 cents.
How about a quick comparison . Just from my little SF experience and reading I get the sense that the Carolina boats do it with a bit more finesse and efficiency and the Hat GT series are brutes that do it with weight and horsepower but offer about the same ride's more or less ?
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ed d View Post
How about a quick comparison . Just from my little SF experience and reading I get the sense that the Carolina boats do it with a bit more finesse and efficiency and the Hat GT series are brutes that do it with weight and horsepower but offer about the same ride's more or less ?
The trade off so far that I have seen is that as advertised, the custom boats are more efficient, but are also narrower and less "livable" from a floor plan view point. My 62 had 1650 hp C32's, and at 1850 RPM's was 31 knots burning about 90 gph. It was a badass boat. The Hatteras GT's are lighter than the earlier versions, but do need more horsepower do go similar speeds. I have the 1800 hp C32's in the Hatteras, and at 1850, 32+ knots, but burning about 100-105 gph. The Hatteras does have a much better layout for families to travel, and for the same year boat, purchase price was 30% less. Custom boats are one of a kind, and hold their value because of it, but it is nice having all the schematics and engineering of a production boat. So, I traded "down" for the livability and price, and am very happy with it so far.
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Old 05-21-2019, 08:25 AM
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A lot of great points in this thread. I've fished an express for the last 22 years of my life. There is one single benefit to a big sporty: More salon space. That's really it.
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Old 05-21-2019, 09:38 AM
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Express with a tower would by my wish. Best of both worlds.

Something like this. https://www.atlanticyachtandship.ru/...s/2010/218620/

Would love to get my hands on this boat.
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Old 05-21-2019, 09:47 AM
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Express with a tower would by my wish. Best of both worlds.

Something like this. https://www.atlanticyachtandship.ru/...s/2010/218620/

Would love to get my hands on this boat.
That's some classy classic interior
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Old 05-21-2019, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by wiredup42 View Post
I will chime in as I have had both. I started with a 36' 1975 Hatteras convertible. Back then, I rigged everything, and ran all the baits, got tired of being alone, etc, so went to a 42' custom carolina express that I had for 7 years. Eventually, I got over standing up for the whole ride out and in as I needed to for visibility. I also got kind of over having everyone standing on top of each other, including me, on the ride out. The first hour I am usually listening to the VHF radio and still planning the area I want to start in, and having everyone around me made it too loud to hear and really get my bearings right. I then moved to a 55' custom carolina sportfish flybridge and LOVED IT! I had my visibility and could actually sit down running out and in. I also liked having some isolation on the way out. I always keep 1 bridge pole up with me, and I have hooked more fish on that one rod than always trying to fight through people on the express. I never really used the tuna tower on my express because when marlin fishing, I needed to be down where the teasers were and in the cockpit. I can run either boat by myself no problem as the bigger flybridges are so heavy, they don't drift super quick, so I can get down and tie lines on my own. A flybridge does require a "mate" though to run the cockpit. I did give up all the rigging I did and running the cockpit, that's the only trade off, but after doing that so long on my own, I don't mind not doing it now. I really do like the Jarrett Bay listed in this thread that has both stations, that boat just needs to be about 10-15 ft longer. Looks to stubby. I remember seeing it a boat show when they just finished it, and I could see having that setup in the future when I get older. After my 55, I had a 62' custom, and just this past fall, sold it, and now am back to a production boat, a Hatt 60gt. If I was going to get another express, I would get it with a marlin tower, and not the tuna tower, as it could act much more like a flybridge, and I think more usable. All boats have their pros and cons. Just my 2 cents.
Agree. All depends on your desires. Having moved from express boats, to a flybridge, I wouldn't look back if I were serious about billfishing.

I also looked at that Jarret Bay at one of the boat shows...it had subsequently hit the used market as "Persistence". Had a contract in hand ready to sign for much less than the current asking price (2013) and got cold feet between the pods and the "look" that you mention. Still a beautiful boat- the finishes were nice and the bucket seats up to were cool.


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Old 05-21-2019, 12:15 PM
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Agree. All depends on your desires. Having moved from express boats, to a flybridge, I wouldn't look back if I were serious about billfishing.

I also looked at that Jarret Bay at one of the boat shows...it had subsequently hit the used market as "Persistence". Had a contract in hand ready to sign for much less than the current asking price (2013) and got cold feet between the pods and the "look" that you mention. Still a beautiful boat- the finishes were nice and the bucket seats up to were cool.
Good move as the pod drive flybridge boats are hard to sell right now.
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