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Old 05-01-2019, 09:01 AM
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Default Miami Dade County Landing Fees for Charters???

I was almost fined the other day for picking up a charter at a county ramp and not paying the landing fee after payment of the ramp fee which was $17. Its an arrest able offense.

According to the dock master the law has been in place for years but they really started enforcement about 4-5 months ago.

Lesson learned.

I have been fiddling around Miami Dade County Parks website in order to be in compliance with what the officers mentioned.

He mentioned my tow vehicle must also be registered as commercial and Miami Dade's site says I need a "permit." There is no description or info on the permit???

After 2 hours online I can't find the "permit" or clear regulations on fire hire vessels.

Do any of you guys have more info or a link???

I only run about 3 to 4 charters a month but want to be in full compliance with county rules.
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Old 05-01-2019, 10:36 AM
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Maybe have MODS move to Fl Section.

Not sure on the permits but at 3-4 times per month you should get the ramp decal. You will save some $$$
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Old 05-01-2019, 11:02 AM
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Maybe have MODS move to Fl Section.

Not sure on the permits but at 3-4 times per month you should get the ramp decal. You will save some $$$
It would be the decal ($214 I think) plus a $55.00 landing fee at $2.25 per foot each time.
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Old 05-01-2019, 12:56 PM
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Interesting as quite a few charters in Dade and Broward pick up customers at public ramps.

So you have to pay this landing fee, when you are "landing" (docking) to pick up and drop off?
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Old 05-01-2019, 01:24 PM
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If you are chartering yes. It goes even further as far as being "commercial." The Miami Dade Marine Patrol Officer told me even the vehicle you tow with must be registered commercialy.

I'm new to the charter business and I'm just trying to learn. It is not easy to get one straight concise answer.

And after searching for 2 hours I cant find any info on the above permit???
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Those read "park waters". I know they have gotten tight with activity in Biscayne National Park out of Crandon and Black Point Marina.

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Old 05-01-2019, 04:31 PM
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Well most of the trailerable charter boat guys do this on a near daily basis. This fee bullshit, if enforced, would put them out of business. How ridiculous.
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Old 05-01-2019, 05:58 PM
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Well most of the trailerable charter boat guys do this on a near daily basis. This fee bullshit, if enforced, would put them out of business. How ridiculous.
I agree.

Paid for by tax dollars, those getting on the charter boat who paid tax dollars, the guide launching paid tax dollars to have this facility just like the rest of everyone using it. he is launching a boat and picking up people just like everyone else. Ain't like he is setting up a hot dog stand.

If you want to get real shitty find out if that ramp has had any state money provided for it through the state boating access program. The county wants to play games, they are at risk of losing their state funding if there ever was any before or in the future for that matter.
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I agree the fee is bullshit but if I get arrested I have to self report at work and that opens up a huge can of worms.

The officers made it very clear that if the caught me again I was going to jail.

The lady at the office didn't even know how to process the fee and really surprised at what the officers had done.

If you want to get real shitty find out if that ramp has had any state money provided for it through the state boating access program. The county wants to play games, they are at risk of losing their state funding if there ever was any before or in the future for that matter.
I'm curious about this. Where can I find more info? Miami is growing and growing but ocean access remains the same if not worse.
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Old 05-02-2019, 01:49 PM
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I'm on the trailer in Broward & I've never heard nor read of this. I have seen Lunker Dog ranting about something & he may have alluded to the same thing happening to him yesterday up here.
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Originally Posted by Ralph500 View Post
I agree the fee is bullshit but if I get arrested I have to self report at work and that opens up a huge can of worms.

The officers made it very clear that if the caught me again I was going to jail.

The lady at the office didn't even know how to process the fee and really surprised at what the officers had done.



I'm curious about this. Where can I find more info? Miami is growing and growing but ocean access remains the same if not worse.
Your gonna have to dig to find it.

It sounds like someone is full of chit especially about the commercial tow vehicle comment. How the hell is this an offense to cause an arrest? I doub't it is but don't know for sure so don't listen to me. Your gonna have to do some digging or start lying to them. These are just my friends I'm picking up and launching like every other tax payer. I launch my skiff at many a county park in 3 counties. Pay my dues and my customers pay to park like everyone else if I pick them up there.

I blend in just like the rest of the idiots using the facility doing the exact same thing they are.

I doubt any of the other guides are paying the fees you mentioned. Sounds like the competition has a hard on for ya!

If the place is run by National Park people then the game changes for the worse.
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Ralph500, send me a PM with your contact info and the full details of what happened. Iím very good at digging into this crap. As a semi-retired NY lawyer who keeps his boat down here 7 months out of the year, I canít stand this kind of nonsense.
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Old 05-03-2019, 06:27 AM
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Ralph500, send me a PM with your contact info and the full details of what happened. I’m very good at digging into this crap. As a semi-retired NY lawyer who keeps his boat down here 7 months out of the year, I can’t stand this kind of nonsense.
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
Your gonna have to dig to find it.

It sounds like someone is full of chit especially about the commercial tow vehicle comment. How the hell is this an offense to cause an arrest? I doub't it is but don't know for sure so don't listen to me. Your gonna have to do some digging or start lying to them. These are just my friends I'm picking up and launching like every other tax payer. I launch my skiff at many a county park in 3 counties. Pay my dues and my customers pay to park like everyone else if I pick them up there.

I blend in just like the rest of the idiots using the facility doing the exact same thing they are.

I doubt any of the other guides are paying the fees you mentioned. Sounds like the competition has a hard on for ya!

If the place is run by National Park people then the game changes for the worse.
That works until the officer asks "your friends" and they contradict what you said.
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That works until the officer asks "your friends" and they contradict what you said.
Thankfully we don't get asked around here. Tons of inshore guides trailer and use the ramps just like everyone else. We pay the same as everyone else and it is first come first serve.
If I take my flats skiff and launch and pick the wife up later or some friends does it make me any different from a fishing guide? I can see in certain scenarios where they may have some regulations as to usage. But, fees for the truck, launch, parking and additional per foot charges seems a little over the top. It's not like the guide is requiring anything more than the same thing the general public is being provided.

If This is a public facility these special fees seem a little odd and inconsistent with other areas around the state.

Like I said I would do some digging into this. Sounds like another BS money grab to me.

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Thankfully we don't get asked around here. Tons of inshore guides trailer and use the ramps just like everyone else. We pay the same as everyone else and it is first come first serve.
If I take my flats skiff and launch and pick the wife up later or some friends does it make me any different from a fishing guide? I can see in certain scenarios where they may have some regulations as to usage. But, fees for the truck, launch, parking and additional per foot charges seems a little over the top. It's not like the guide is requiring anything more than the same thing the general public is being provided.

If This is a public facility these special fees seem a little odd and inconsistent with other areas around the state.

Like I said I would do some digging into this. Sounds like another BS money grab to me.
From my understanding it all boils down to conducting business in a county park. There are many people in parks running boot camps, soccer leagues, teaching karate, taking professional pictures etc. all illegally because they don't have a permit.

Trust me I'm digging. I sent jillybird a PM.

BTW non commercial landing fee is $1.00 per foot. Commercial landing fee $2.50 per foot. IMO this should be waived if you paid for the ramp already $17
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From my understanding it all boils down to conducting business in a county park. There are many people in parks running boot camps, soccer leagues, teaching karate, taking professional pictures etc. all illegally because they don't have a permit.

Trust me I'm digging. I sent jillybird a PM.

BTW non commercial landing fee is $1.00 per foot. Commercial landing fee $2.50 per foot. IMO this should be waived if you paid for the ramp already $17
So, if the average guy launched his boat and pays 17 bucks he will incur another 30 bucks for a 30 foot boat to be launched at the so called landing. WTF is this landing fee? Pulling up to the to the dock after he launches?

Damn near 50 bucks to put in and park. I will call BS on this. Something doesn't sound right.

And, your not conducting business in a county park. Your launching and retrieving a vessel and picking people up like every other tax payer.

It is Dade county so I may be full of shit on my response.

I wouldn't deal with the entire place if it was for free.

Your not conducting business in the park unless you fish off the dock or are playing kung fu in the parking lot.

Do they think they can charge you this special rate if you launch your charter boat and pick someone up from their private dock just because they think your commercial.

Too many holes in this. Imagine the guy with his personal wrapped contractor roofing F-250 taking the Kids out on his private boat for the weekend. Is it gonna cost him a 100 bucks for him to launch and have a landing?

His truck is commercial and all that.
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Old 05-03-2019, 05:51 PM
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Let me clarify. If you are just going out recreationally you pay $17 for ramp use. That is all you are good no matter how big the boat.

If you launch from another marina, your home or a private dock you must pay the landing fee if you are picking up passengers at the county dock. $1 for a recreational pick up and $2.50 for commercial. This is per foot.

I wish i was wrong

If you are chartering you pay $17 ramp fee plus $2.50 a foot landing fee. In my case $17+ $55=$72. So now it will cost us another $55 to conduct business there which we will in turn pass on to the customer making us less competitive.

We also spoke to another Miami Dade Marine Patrol Officer and he said the law has been in the books for a while. They are just cracking down on illegal charters etc.
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sounds like the shift changing rules that are in all the countries that half the pop of miami left to come to miami
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Just pay for pickup & drop off privileges at a marina. Thatís what we do chartering here in Alabama. Plus makes your business look more legitimate and your clients will have access to better facilities at the marina.

Im surprised that you donít have to get a business license either which states you will not use public boat ramps to conduct your business.
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