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Old 04-12-2019, 04:56 PM
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So over the last couple of years, I've been using braid in various brands from Power Pro, Kast King, Dyneema, etc . Different types, brands, and weights. I just cannot find any love for it. Tangles, noisy, zero abrasion resistance. Other than the better sensitivity, I cannot find a good reason to use braid over good mono.
We went today and fighting with twisting and tangling braid line/flouro leader combinations on spinning setups, we ended up with a couple of backup conventional rigs (Squall 30 and 113H) with Berkley Big Game mono and stopped having ANY problems​​​​​​(and caught fish).
I guess I'm a Neanderthal, because I'm pretty sure I'm done with braid.
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Hate to hear you're having problems with it, and you're not the only one that doesn't like it. Definitely a learning curve with braid though. Most issues I see people have with braid come from improper spooling and using the wrong knots. I run 100% braid now for both inshore and offshore. The only reels I use mono on are my kingfish reels but they have braid backing so I can swap out the 100yd mono topshot every year. Sensitivity is one of the best reasons to choose it but I also choose it for long range casting, no memory, lasts decades, extra line capacity, and high breaking strength. I do run a 10ft topshot of mono/fluoro on all my reels with braid. Seems like straight braid to leader gets less bites than mono offshore, inshore in my muddy waters there's no difference.

Nothing wrong with all mono. I just don't like it because of memory, shorter casts, and you can't feel anything....
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Once we started targeting fish in over 100' I was finding a bottom snag nearly impossible to break off using 60' mono. Most of the mono I liked to fish with had some stretch to it.

Stick the rod tip deep in the water, crank down as far as I could, take two wraps around the reel and even stand on the gunnel...and lines still would not break. If anchored that deep on a good spot, I am not about to tie off to a cleat and move the boat...

I have never failed to break braid off when I needed to.
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Old 04-12-2019, 06:28 PM
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Definitely a learning curve. That said, have used it 100% now for at least 20 years, would not go back. Increased line capacity for any given reel, zero stretch. Less line drag with a lot out, very important if you have a lot of line out on a pelagic, or are fishing the bottom in deep water. Plus that sensitivity; you actually need to get used to the fact that you can feel EVERYTHING, even every little bump of the sinker on the bottom. I don't do a lot of shore based surf fishing myself, although it is very popular on our coast. lots of swell and movement. But when I do, it is just unbeatable for the reasons given above, really transformed it from something that I really didn't like to something that I can enjoy. A bite is a bite is a bite, period. The lack of stretch can be a negative with poor fishing technique, a lot of people get away with doing it badly on a fighting fish on mono, due to it acting like a big shock-absorbing rubber band. Braid will show that up.
Tangles are harder, yes, but I find that with proper gear management, applicable to any kind of line, I don't really tangle much? One thing to watch though, is the line burying in the spool load under very high pressure. if your line load underneath is not properly tight, big pressure can cause the line to bury , then it may snap under the next fast run, particularly if you use level wind reels. Of course, this can also happen with mono, but less often, IMO. Not a fan of levelwinds for that reason anyway, so not a problem for me. As for threadline(spinning reels, all the same positives, casts better because it is thinner for a given breaking strain, and more line capacity. Noisier? Yes, but?
Certainly more expensive, but you can offset that by increased spool life. Mono just needs to be replaced a lot more often if you want to keep the breaking strain consistent. As to brands, I stay right away from PowerPro. It is the only "name" brand i have ever had a pproblem with, wrt consistent breaking strain. And it has happened across different breaking strrains, and plain or multi-coloured ( depth marked) . Deteriorates as quickly as mono.
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I cant fish with anything else now.
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I'm not pulling all the braid off my reels but when it gets tired, I'm going back to mono. Been fishing with mono for 35 years, went to braid nearly three years ago. Not catching any more than I used to and twice the headache. No thanks

Good luck with the stuff, but I'm done with it.
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Braid for deepwater or many types of lure fishing. Trolling or bait fishing in less than ~150ft I prefer mono. Catches just as well without the issues that come with braid. The thing I hate the most are braid tangles.
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If you fish in water 100’ or deeper with a swift current you’ll learn to hate mono worse than braid. I love bottom fishing with braid using a 10’ floro or mono leader and can’t imagine going back to full mono.

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Not sure what type of fishing, but every tool has it's use. You mentioned conventional reels so I assume you were trolling...most everyone is still using mono for trolling & kite fishing. Braid for bottom fishing, jigging and inshore casting.
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I don't much care for it, either.
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Old 04-13-2019, 08:41 AM
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To each their own. I love it for all the reasons listed above
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I'm not pulling all the braid off my reels but when it gets tired, I'm going back to mono. Been fishing with mono for 35 years, went to braid nearly three years ago. Not catching any more than I used to and twice the headache. No thanks

Good luck with the stuff, but I'm done with it.
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Old 04-13-2019, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DarcizzleOffshore View Post
Not sure what type of fishing, but every tool has it's use. You mentioned conventional reels so I assume you were trolling...most everyone is still using mono for trolling & kite fishing. Braid for bottom fishing, jigging and inshore casting.
all my 30s & 50s are filled with braid & topshotted with mono gives smaller reels big reel capacity & in the long run its economical cause instead respooling ya just change the top shot. for inshore & freshwater fishing I prefer mono
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Originally Posted by DarcizzleOffshore View Post
Not sure what type of fishing, but every tool has it's use. You mentioned conventional reels so I assume you were trolling...most everyone is still using mono for trolling & kite fishing. Braid for bottom fishing, jigging and inshore casting.
No, yesterday we were nearshore bottom fishing in 40'-60'. I took conventional rigs as backup and because my wife mentioned that she likes them better. We had tangles with mono also when we dropped too fast (leader wrapping around line), but with the mono, it just unwraps, with the braid it knots up. And abrasion? Forget about it.

On another note, my wife absolutely loves the Squall 30 I picked up used. It was too good a deal to pass up ($40), and now it's the only rig she wants to use. It still had some unknown brand/test mono on it and was on an el cheapo Berkley rod but she caught most and biggest fish with it.
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I'm with Darci on this . Mono for trolling or bigger surface fish where some shock absorbing stretch is nice and braid for bottom .. and I use it on everything else just cause I like it really . It was a " I see the light " event first time using braid on the bottom .
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I really like what I am doing. I spool a heavy braid on the spool, then use a FG knot to tie on a mono topshot. For trolling this is typically 100' why do I like it.

1) likely to never get spooled
2) Change out old Mono is just 100', Not a big deal.
3) when trolling, when the braid starts coming off I know the lure is 100' back, Then I stop or drop more back according to my needs
4) 100' of Mono give me some stretch if my trolling setup gets slammed, also helps keep tension on those jumping mahi
5) For jigging it is much easier to get the right action, (but I only use about 20' of top shot)

If you deep drop or just bottom fishing , the line is thinner and you need less lead. Plus much easier to feel a smaller bite.
Also if you buy some smaller reels that have good drags, you can fish with lighter more comfortable gear and still target some pretty good fish.

I am just a amateur, but I would like to think I have figured a few things out
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Originally Posted by highflier1 View Post
I really like what I am doing. I spool a heavy braid on the spool, then use a FG knot to tie on a mono topshot. For trolling this is typically 100' why do I like it.

1) likely to never get spooled
2) Change out old Mono is just 100', Not a big deal.
3) when trolling, when the braid starts coming off I know the lure is 100' back, Then I stop or drop more back according to my needs
4) 100' of Mono give me some stretch if my trolling setup gets slammed, also helps keep tension on those jumping mahi
5) For jigging it is much easier to get the right action, (but I only use about 20' of top shot)

If you deep drop or just bottom fishing , the line is thinner and you need less lead. Plus much easier to feel a smaller bite.
Also if you buy some smaller reels that have good drags, you can fish with lighter more comfortable gear and still target some pretty good fish.

I am just a amateur, but I would like to think I have figured a few things out
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My style exactly: 100 ft mono topshot over JB braid by FG.

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Never understood the long mono topshot. The sensitivity of the braid is the biggest selling point. Seems to me that 100' of topshot pretty much neutralizes the sensitivity and lack of stretch, not to mention the thin diameter for resistance to strong current, all you're getting is the extended capacity. A 4/0 Senator holds 370 yards of 40# mono as it is.
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Never understood the long mono topshot. The sensitivity of the braid is the biggest selling point. Seems to me that 100' of topshot pretty much neutralizes the sensitivity and lack of stretch, not to mention the thin diameter for resistance to strong current, all you're getting is the extended capacity. A 4/0 Senator holds 370 yards of 40# mono as it is.
The long mono topshot gives you the benefit of the mono's stretch while giving you the line capacity of the braid. Most trolling is done with mono line but the braid backing gives EXTRA line capacity beyond just regular mono line capacity. In the trolling application, the biggest selling point of the braid is that you can simply put more of it on your reel. Mono is best for trolling and the longer top shot allows you to basically troll with exclusively mono. For bottom fishing, jigging, and popping, you are much more likely to see a top of 1' to 10' and then solid braid. In these applications, you are taking advantage of braid's key selling points - lack of stretch, increased sensitivity, and reduced diameter. Each application varies as well as personal preference.
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Never understood the long mono topshot. The sensitivity of the braid is the biggest selling point. Seems to me that 100' of topshot pretty much neutralizes the sensitivity and lack of stretch, not to mention the thin diameter for resistance to strong current, all you're getting is the extended capacity. A 4/0 Senator holds 370 yards of 40# mono as it is.
On my kingfish reels I use 100yds of 20lb mono on top of 50lb braid. Gives me the stretch to not pull hooks on kings. At the end of the year I pull off the mono topshot and throw it in the trash. Then I'll add 100yds of fresh mono with no memory for next season. Cheaper than trashing 400yds of mono. I use 10ft of mono/fluoro topshots on all my bottom fishing reels for the extra sensitivity....
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