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Old 05-03-2019, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Nuts View Post
LKD -- I take it you are not a fan of the FG knot as I did not see it mentioned in you post. Or do you use it on the Conventional setups?
No. I'm not.
I will never tell anyone else what they should do (particularly on THT). I can only report our experiences and preferences.

In general, the FG knot introduces process and time complexities in execution that outweigh any potential benefit in performance over the Crazy Alberto knot.
Using spinning gear and 30 to 130# conventional gear, very frequently changing line and leaders, drag settings range from 10 to 45 pounds. The greater strength preservation factor claimed for the FG knot over the Crazy Alberto knot is meaningless.
On conventional gear with IGFA limit leaders, the Crazy Alberto knot winds on better than the FG.
On spinning gear, our leaders are never long enough (36") to be pulled through guides. Here, sometimes the leader material is lower strength than the main line, and here the FG does not work as well here.
Our experience is that the FG does not work as well as the Crazy Alberto knot with fluorocarbon.

The static load testing rating knot effectiveness is, in my opinon, is largely meaningless. In the first instance, most of these tests are not conducted underwater. Secondly, the tests do not accurately replicate the load cycles (pull-release-twist repetitions) in real life use. Sample sizes are too small.

Finally, on our 130 class gear (principally for bluefin tuna or livebaiting billfish, we have no knots or splices because the entire reels are filled with either 120 or 150 # Ande fluorocarbon. The fluorocarbon is tied directly to the hook.

Not really old school; just stubborn.
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Old 05-03-2019, 11:10 PM
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The “FG” knot is fantastic at holding against a near-static load under constant strain in one direction. That’s what made it so desirable for securing spans of telegraph wire to poles with manila rope in the 1800’s.

LKD so eloquently points out that for fishing the knot has fatal flaws because of the dynamic nature. I’m not so polished as many of you know. I think FG stands for Fvckin’ Gone, which is what happens to your fish when you use the knot. Not all of them, just the ones you really, really want.
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Old 05-04-2019, 02:54 AM
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Exactly what I do.
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Old 05-04-2019, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Southern_Fish View Post
The long mono topshot gives you the benefit of the mono's stretch while giving you the line capacity of the braid. Most trolling is done with mono line but the braid backing gives EXTRA line capacity beyond just regular mono line capacity. In the trolling application, the biggest selling point of the braid is that you can simply put more of it on your reel. Mono is best for trolling and the longer top shot allows you to basically troll with exclusively mono. For bottom fishing, jigging, and popping, you are much more likely to see a top of 1' to 10' and then solid braid. In these applications, you are taking advantage of braid's key selling points - lack of stretch, increased sensitivity, and reduced diameter. Each application varies as well as personal preference.
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Old 05-10-2019, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Southern_Fish
The long mono topshot gives you the benefit of the mono's stretch while giving you the line capacity of the braid. Most trolling is done with mono line but the braid backing gives EXTRA line capacity beyond just regular mono line capacity. In the trolling application, the biggest selling point of the braid is that you can simply put more of it on your reel. Mono is best for trolling and the longer top shot allows you to basically troll with exclusively mono. For bottom fishing, jigging, and popping, you are much more likely to see a top of 1' to 10' and then solid braid. In these applications, you are taking advantage of braid's key selling points - lack of stretch, increased sensitivity, and reduced diameter. Each application varies as well as personal preference.
I still like to use 10-20' on my bottom rigs. It keeps the braid away from the fish eye's and I can still feel the bite pretty good. Also if you are bit off, you still have 9-19' of topshot to retie and no need to mess with the Mono-> braid connection.
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