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Old 06-06-2019, 05:44 AM
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Are wishbone keepers reusable?






Planning to replace speargun slings. The wishbone is attached w/ plastic rings are these rings/keeper reusable.



After viewing a half dozen videos I concluded they aren’t reusable.



I can visualize the cord being stretched enough for the ring to be slide over the wishbones nipple is there a tool for grasping the wishbones ends rubber?



Maybe wrap to protect rubber then use vice gripes to hold the tube while stretching?



If I’m forced to lace the wishbones what do you Guy’s use for cord?



Also is this decent rubber?
https://www.amazon.com/Spearit-SPEARGUN-RUBBER-BLACK-10ft/dp/B006IWF44G/ref=pd_cp_468_1?pd_rd_w=p0Ayc&pf_rd_p=ef4dc990-a9ca-4945-ae0b-f8d549198ed6&pf_rd_r=FEKH9TE412KQ9X3TZAPF&pd_rd_r=ab2d5f0c-884c-11e9-bf98-e3d8d9231830&pd_rd_wg=R1BzQ&pd_rd_i=B006IWF44G&psc=1&refRID=FEKH9TE412KQ9X3TZAPF https://www.amazon.com/Spearit-SPEARGUN-RUBBER-BLACK-10ft/dp/B006IWF44G/ref=pd_cp_468_1?pd_rd_w=p0Ayc&pf_rd_p=ef4dc990-a9ca-4945-ae0b-f8d549198ed6&pf_rd_r=FEKH9TE412KQ9X3TZAPF&pd_rd_r=ab2d5f0c-884c-11e9-bf98-e3d8d9231830&pd_rd_wg=R1BzQ&pd_rd_i=B006IWF44G&psc=1&refRID=FEKH9TE412KQ9X3TZAPF



Edit:I also need a new rubber on the shockcord. anyone here use mono as a shock cord? I’m stepping up from shooting flounder to extra large wahoo/cobia, was thinking of 30’ of 300LB.



Thanks for any useable advice STB

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Spend the time and watch these how to videos. Especially the ones near the bottom.


Going from flounder to wahoo is obviously not something to mess around with. Getting tangled in your line or worse, wounding fish. Wont get you very far in the spearfishing community
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Originally Posted by Fordy View Post
Spend the time and watch these how to videos.
After viewing a half dozen videos I concluded they aren’t reusable.Especially the ones near the bottom.


Going from flounder to wahoo is obviously not something to mess around with.
yes youre correct flounder are vicious.
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Old 06-10-2019, 01:30 PM
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they are reusable!
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its not a shock cord. its just a line for the shaft. you need to get the right length for your particular gun size.
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A 30' line is likely insufficient to target large cobia or wahoo unless attached to a reel with sufficiently more line or attached to a float line setup. It's not sporting to shoot fish and have them tear off due to being ill prepared.

As far as tying bands, you can use waxed whipping twine with a double constrictor knot to replace the plastic wishbone keepers. If you want more information as it relates to spearfishing, I find the Spearboard website/forums to be more active compared to this section on THT.
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I've ordered and received from spearit 5/8" rubber 4' cut in half (next time plan to order primeline it's the same $) also the 1.7mm kevlar lacing cord (yet to lace the wishbone to rubber plan to prior to next expedition so the rubber won't start it's wearing process) this rubber is a tad thicker than the blue and appears very strong, stronger than the blue maybe because it's thicker. I keep the old blue rubber to cover tips and gaff hooks.
will reuse the wishbones there appear to be uncracked.

the cord looks cheap compared to the plastic rings but w/ the thicker rubber the rings won't fit even w/ my gorilla grip. will tie w/ double constrictor knot then a piece of heat shrink won't heat but for a second of time maybe it mite be better to tape w/ electrical tape instead of heating up shrink wrap?or just leave cord exposed.

I don't want to be dragged by a fish either cobia or wahoo over 3' (I'm free diving buoys/wrecks) basically babies not the Momma's remember I'm used to shooting smaller fish but want to up my game.

I've also ordered a plastic 0/8 fly reel, plan to glue the reel to the tube then lift the track and tape.

not sure why folks want a detachable reel.

will be reusing the JBL nylon shooting line and just replace it's worn rubber w/ sling shot latex rubber (would like to increase the shockcords rubber a tad w/out it bouncing back at me if I miss my shot) so we have 15' shot line attached to the reels line.
can I get away w/ ande 300LB mono fishing line or must speargun line be used? remember I've only shoot w/ 15' shot line.

edit: if I get real brave and have to shoot 3' or larger can I tie a boat fender or a tide laundry detergent bottle to gun as a float?
sorry to be so long I get carried away w/ this stuff.

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If you're shooting fish freediving, I would still consider a breakaway floatline and float setup. That way you're not attached to anything and won't lose your gun. Also, you can use the heavy mono for your shooting line, it doesn't have to be nylon. Make sure your properly crimp the line to avoid damaging it.
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The length of your shooting line (what youre calling a shock cord) is really a function of your gun more than what you're hunting. If you cant penetrate a fish at 30ft then theres no reason to have 30ft of line on your shaft. Most guns are limited to around 2 wraps of line but it varies quite a bit.

As others have said, look into a floatline or reel setup for those bigger fish so that you dont have to make a decision between your gun and going to the surface.
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your fly reel idea, is going to be ripped off on the first barley keeper cobia you shoot! they maybe smaller but put up a good fight especially after you shoot them!
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Originally Posted by Rolandt03 View Post
your fly reel idea, is going to be ripped off on the first barley keeper cobia you shoot! will not they maybe smaller but put up a good fight especially after you shoot them!
I believe the reel just holds line, I already have andei 300 clear mono. the chinese reel appears half way decent for $10. first reel so I can't compare to a real reel.

considering 2 screws + glue + tape.
not sure why folks want a detachable reel

plan to keep the shot line attached to reel line w/ a double overhand knot. will this hold the nylon to the mono? or please suggest a decent knot not sure what's it's referred to saw the Aussie lady tieing a shark clip to gun
(I think I love her )appears very strong knot, now I can understand folks using nylon shoot line and nylon reel line.
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I decided to fab a aluminum reel bracket. screw reusing the rear barrel to handle screws then 2 more screws or rivets for front section of bracket into barrel and of course glue.

I've figured out how to operate the new chinese reel like setting the drag. of course there are no written instructions.

confused on what the sliver nipple (180* from handle) is for? doe's it have a function the only thing I can think the nipples function is securing the reel line (there is a slite groove in it) or a balance weight.STB
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update fabbing reel bracket

from what I understand AL fresh water spearing is limited to standing on land or vessel I think this is for bow fishermen.

the only fish that can be legally shot under water w/ a speargun is the catfish gar, basicelly trash fish only. and if you have a speargun on the vessel make sure you add spearing onto the regular fishing licence.

how much force will 24"X 5/8" X 2 I believe each sling =60 total 120LBs of force on 41" track gun used for reef & big game pelagic.



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you could have just bought a reel that is made to attach to that gun! that reel will eventually get yanked on by a fish, it wont take much to destroy that rig! you want it to detach so the fish cant pull you under.
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In reference to replacing and tying off wishbones with restrictor cord or bands???....

I recently researched this subject and it was advised there isn't any real "restrictor" strength in the bands themselves and are Only for aesthetic appearance covering up the restrictor cords.
Furthermore, you don't want to be heating up the tubing directly with a heat gun to shrink anything attached to the bands.

I use different DuPont Braided Kevlar cord 1.0mm, 1.7mm & 1.9mm material for different applications.
Always apply some rubbing alcohol to the cord and tubing where it's getting tied off.
I always clamp off one end of the cord in my table vise, spray w/ alcohol and start tying off.
The alcohol acts as a lubricant, duh, and allows the installer to tighten the restrictor cord to an acceptable degree.
Once completely tied off the excess cord is trimmed & a small dab of epoxy resin is applied to the knotted cord w/o applying the epoxy to the tubing itself.
This is just my way to add the extra protection that the cord won't let loose and put out an eye. Can you say Murphy?

If any of you folks need replacement power bands, tubing, different Kevlar tie off cords, etc., etc., just shoot me a PM & I'll let you know how much.
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In reference to replacing and tying off wishbones with restrictor cord or bands???....

I recently researched this subject and it was advised there isn't any real "restrictor" strength in the bands themselves and are Only for aesthetic appearance covering up the restrictor cords.
Furthermore, you don't want to be heating up the tubing directly with a heat gun to shrink anything attached to the bands.

I use different DuPont Braided Kevlar cord 1.0mm, 1.7mm & 1.9mm material for different applications.this makes sense larger tube requires larger cord
Always apply some rubbing alcohol to the cord and tubing where it's getting tied off.
I always clamp off one end of the cord in my table vise, spray w/ alcohol and start tying off.
The alcohol acts as a lubricant, duh, and allows the installer to tighten the restrictor cord to an acceptable degree.
Once completely tied off the excess cord is trimmed & a small dab of epoxy resin is applied to the knotted cord w/o applying the epoxy to the tubing itself.good deal w/ glue do you apply heat to cut cord pryor to glue?
This is just my way to add the extra protection that the cord won't let loose and put out an eye. Can you say Murphy?

If any of you folks need replacement power bands, tubing, different Kevlar tie off cords, etc., etc., just shoot me a PM & I'll let you know how much.
I can honestly say I've researched pricing & I'm the cheapest available anywhere I've ran across.
Free shipping to lower 48 US states.

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finished reel attachment to barrel.


reel has 80' kevlar 1.8 cord 900LB

next refurb. 13' nylon shock rubber

then fine tune bands first sling 1/2 shorter than second sling

41" shaft 24" 5/8" rubber should have serious power.

I'm wanting a trolling teaser,longline reel and float line.using 3/16" blue steel crab pot line w/ trolling extra large 9" squid,w/ bonita stripe just behind prop. wash.I'd like a shock rubber on the middle of this 50' teaser line using polespear rubber how long of a piece of rubber is recommended

I'd prefer the squid won't fly back toward vessel like when fish stretches the rubber then decides to spit out hook.

weapon is noticeable heavier so I've invented a new exercise I refer to as wristups. usalley 4 sets of 20 reps. daily is a good start will eventually add resistance and lower wristup reps.

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No Heat from any device should be use on Latex tubing to shrink heat shrink bands around cords or anything else for that matter.
That amount of heat on latex (even if for a short period) begins to weaken it and cause molecular breakdown within the element compound.

I have noticed the shops have started carrying "Low" temp shrink bands for this type of application so without saying the shrink bands are probably pretty thin but they're only there for aesthetic purposes.

Regardless of WHATEVER, just use some common sense when your life or somebody else's life or livelihood may be affected by whatever decision you make in life.
Be smart & safe rather than sorry.

And 1 other thing,
When building power cords, USE NEW COMPONENTS!!!!!!!!!!
I can't say this enough times to pound home the importance of this subject.

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still waiting for response about teasers shock rubber. or do you people don't use rubber in fear of a fish being slung back at vessel
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You will get better responses if you use the proper terminology. Teaser is for fishing, shooting line is for spearfishing. Your shooting line should be mono (300-400 lb. test). This is what goes from shaft to gun.

The shock rubber's purpose is to hold the mono shooting line taught against the line release. It is not to be used for shock absorption against a fighting fish. They will fail. And if you tie your line correctly, you don't need it. If you want bungee shock absorption you will need a float line and float but this isn't really necessary unless you are targeting very large and powerful gamefish (tuna, etc.). For how to rig, check out this video:

I second what others have said, that reel is junk and you are better off investing in a real reel designed for spearfishing that comes with a dedicated mount for pipe guns.
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