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Old 06-04-2014, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by igfafly View Post
Gil

Did you get my email ?

Have ordered a new Comp 25, now looking at sounders, AP etc.

Thinking of FCV295 with SS270W non-diplex as primary sounder unit. Then getting the 1040xs primarily for GPS, NMEA 2000 link up, Auto pilot, AIS etc.

The 1040xs also comes with sounder so would be silly not to take advantage of that - was thinking of 1kw CHIRP into this. Which ducer and what price to do this ?

Does it need a black box for this or ducer straight into the back like the FCV295 ?

Would the CHIRP ducer and the SS270W clash being mounted through hull in close proximity ?

The SS270W is a chunky thing and would require a bit of installation fibre glassing around it to get it flush. Same for whichever CHIRP you recommend or is the CHIRP a flush mounted thing ?

Steve


Everything depends on your fishing depths..

The SS270W is not for deep water use....best for under 400'.

For the 1040xs the B175M is an excellent ducer..$975...and it is plug and play to the 1040xs.... and it is a flush mount..
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Ok so I am pretty set on that 1040xs / B175 combo.

Is the B175 a 1kw ducer and would it be any good for work deeper than the 400ft you mention for the SS270W ?

Most of our marlin work is within 600ft but we do hit the bottom for gemfish at around 300 fthms and also look for tuna in up to 500 fthm or 800 fthm - granted we are only interested in what is in the top 200 fthm for the tuna but it is good to mark bottom at least in those areas - that B175 any good for those depths ?

beyond that am only interested in the top couple of hundred fthms.

A couple of guys here running the SS270W say it is excellent for marking marlin in the areas they are found (blacks and stripes - the blues are out wider) but would you recommend the SS264 pair as a better option for the FCV295 given the above ?

Appeal of the SS264 is that the pair are also flush mount too.....or would you suggest something different for the 295 which I intend to be the main workhorse sounder - the 1040xs would be a secondary one, used mainly for nav, pilot and engine data.

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Originally Posted by igfafly View Post
Ok so I am pretty set on that 1040xs / B175 combo.

Is the B175 a 1kw ducer and would it be any good for work deeper than the 400ft you mention for the SS270W ?

Most of our marlin work is within 600ft but we do hit the bottom for gemfish at around 300 fthms and also look for tuna in up to 500 fthm or 800 fthm - granted we are only interested in what is in the top 200 fthm for the tuna but it is good to mark bottom at least in those areas - that B175 any good for those depths ?

beyond that am only interested in the top couple of hundred fthms.

A couple of guys here running the SS270W say it is excellent for marking marlin in the areas they are found (blacks and stripes - the blues are out wider) but would you recommend the SS264 pair as a better option for the FCV295 given the above ?

Appeal of the SS264 is that the pair are also flush mount too.....or would you suggest something different for the 295 which I intend to be the main workhorse sounder - the 1040xs would be a secondary one, used mainly for nav, pilot and engine data.

Steve
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Further to this - I see the B175M is rated down to 3000' - in your experience is this a pretty good deep water performer given the frequency range it offers ?

Was of the opinion that at those deeper depths one should be running with 50Khz or less if possible....

If it is a good deep water performer perhaps I am OK with the FCV295 running the SS270W but then it seems the SS270W is not taking advantage of the FCV295's full capabilities and maybe the SS264 pair (50 and 200 KHz) would be a smarter choice ?

Steve
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Originally Posted by igfafly View Post
Ok so I am pretty set on that 1040xs / B175 combo.

Is the B175 a 1kw ducer and would it be any good for work deeper than the 400ft you mention for the SS270W ?

Most of our marlin work is within 600ft but we do hit the bottom for gemfish at around 300 fthms and also look for tuna in up to 500 fthm or 800 fthm - granted we are only interested in what is in the top 200 fthm for the tuna but it is good to mark bottom at least in those areas - that B175 any good for those depths ?

beyond that am only interested in the top couple of hundred fthms.

A couple of guys here running the SS270W say it is excellent for marking marlin in the areas they are found (blacks and stripes - the blues are out wider) but would you recommend the SS264 pair as a better option for the FCV295 given the above ?

Appeal of the SS264 is that the pair are also flush mount too.....or would you suggest something different for the 295 which I intend to be the main workhorse sounder - the 1040xs would be a secondary one, used mainly for nav, pilot and engine data.

Steve

The SS264N pair will perform the B175M....at depth past 500'....but i like the B175M in water less than that.
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Originally Posted by igfafly View Post
Gil

Further to this - I see the B175M is rated down to 3000' - in your experience is this a pretty good deep water performer given the frequency range it offers ?

Was of the opinion that at those deeper depths one should be running with 50Khz or less if possible....

If it is a good deep water performer perhaps I am OK with the FCV295 running the SS270W but then it seems the SS270W is not taking advantage of the FCV295's full capabilities and maybe the SS264 pair (50 and 200 KHz) would be a smarter choice ?

Steve
I do not care for the SS270w...I prefer the Pair for deep work.
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Yep Gill - on reviewing it seems that SS270W is very specific in its application and that function should easily be able to be handled by the B175M.

Then the SS264 pair can handle the deeper stuff and the specific 50Khz stuff - looks like that runs the 50Khz wide and the 200 KHz narrow so also overlaps on the wide function of the SS270 which is good.

Any issues with:
- transducers conflicting / interference or is that negated as all 3 would be on difference frequencies ?
- mounting 3 flush mounts in the bottom of a 24 deg deadrise boat of 25 ft - how best to mount - close to keel, one on one side and 2 on the other, one behind the other ?

Guess would need to get 20deg tilted for 24 deg deadrise ?

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Yep Gill - on reviewing it seems that SS270W is very specific in its application and that function should easily be able to be handled by the B175M.

ANS: Correct

Then the SS264 pair can handle the deeper stuff and the specific 50Khz stuff - looks like that runs the 50Khz wide and the 200 KHz narrow so also overlaps on the wide function of the SS270 which is good.

ANS: Correct

Any issues with:
- transducers conflicting / interference or is that negated as all 3 would be on difference frequencies ?

- mounting 3 flush mounts in the bottom of a 24 deg deadrise boat of 25 ft - how best to mount - close to keel, one on one side and 2 on the other, one behind the other ?

Guess would need to get 20deg tilted for 24 deg deadrise ?

ANS : Correct.


But...You would be better off with just a B175C-LH pair...those will work with the FCV295.

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Now there is a curve ball - first time I have heard about a B265C LH - read up on the B265 LH and see it is a Chirp ducer - so what is this new 265C LH ?

Was of the understanding that the FCV295 was not a Chirp unit, so is this 265C ducer a conventional sonar version of the 265 LH ?

Price ?

Steve
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Originally Posted by igfafly View Post
Now there is a curve ball - first time I have heard about a B265C LH - read up on the B265 LH and see it is a Chirp ducer - so what is this new 265C LH ?

Was of the understanding that the FCV295 was not a Chirp unit, so is this 265C ducer a conventional sonar version of the 265 LH ?

Price ?

Steve
The FCV295 and the FCV1150 are not CHIRP units since they are tunable soanrs you can use them with a CHIRP transducer...and will get improved performance over a traditional transducer of the same element number.

http://www.airmartechnology.com/uplo...20Sounders.pdf
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Originally Posted by semperfifishing View Post
Yep Gill - on reviewing it seems that SS270W is very specific in its application and that function should easily be able to be handled by the B175M.

ANS: Correct

Then the SS264 pair can handle the deeper stuff and the specific 50Khz stuff - looks like that runs the 50Khz wide and the 200 KHz narrow so also overlaps on the wide function of the SS270 which is good.

ANS: Correct

Any issues with:
- transducers conflicting / interference or is that negated as all 3 would be on difference frequencies ?

- mounting 3 flush mounts in the bottom of a 24 deg deadrise boat of 25 ft - how best to mount - close to keel, one on one side and 2 on the other, one behind the other ?

Guess would need to get 20deg tilted for 24 deg deadrise ?

ANS : Correct.


But...You would be better off with just a B265C-LH pair...those will work with the FCV295.
Gil

Looking at the link on the B265C-LH it appears that it is a large brass unit that I will have to get glassed into the hull when the boat is being made to make sure the installation is good and flush - yet you mention "a B265C-LH pair" in your earlier posting....does that ducer also come as a flush mounted pair option with tilted elements ?

Also - would it / they plug straight into the back of the FCV295 like the SS264 pair would without needing another box / junction etc. ?

Reckon I am close to knowing what to buy once the above are clarified.

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Originally Posted by igfafly View Post
Gil

Looking at the link on the B265C-LH it appears that it is a large brass unit that I will have to get glassed into the hull when the boat is being made to make sure the installation is good and flush - yet you mention "a B265C-LH pair" in your earlier posting....does that ducer also come as a flush mounted pair option with tilted elements ?

Also - would it / they plug straight into the back of the FCV295 like the SS264 pair would without needing another box / junction etc. ?

Reckon I am close to knowing what to buy once the above are clarified.

Steve
I was tired..it should be ....." B175 Pair...
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BUY STUFF FROM GIL!!!!!

Thanks for all your help!
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Gil

OK - think we have a result !!!!

Garmin 1040xs running a single 1Kw B175M Chirp tilted element flush mounted transducer as the backup sounder, GPS, pilot and engine data unit

Furuno FCV 295 running a pair of 1Kw B175C L/H tilted element flush mounted transducers as the main sounder unit. These would be better than the SS264 L/H pair ???????

All ducers would wire directly into the head units
The 295 would be tunable as to exact frequency within the L or H bands it transmits.

If the above is correct and is in your view a damn good setup could you please PM me with prices. I have some from previously but not all of the above.

thanks

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Originally Posted by igfafly View Post
Gil

OK - think we have a result !!!!

Garmin 1040xs running a single 1Kw B175M Chirp tilted element flush mounted transducer as the backup sounder, GPS, pilot and engine data unit

Furuno FCV 295 running a pair of 1Kw B175C L/H tilted element flush mounted transducers as the main sounder unit. These would be better than the SS264 L/H pair ???????

All ducers would wire directly into the head units
The 295 would be tunable as to exact frequency within the L or H bands it transmits.

If the above is correct and is in your view a damn good setup could you please PM me with prices. I have some from previously but not all of the above.

thanks

Steve
Gil

Let me know what you think and if the above would be a very good set up please would you PM prices - alternatively suggest alternatives and price those.

Thanks

Steve
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Hey Gil, I have a 741s (I think it is an "s", the boat is on a mooring 100 mi. from me right now...) and want to add a GCV 10 and the transducer for SideVu. Will this transducer also allow CHIRP DownVu? Is the connection process fairly straightforward? I am adept at running power, but I am wondering about the connectors, etc. especially if I am running the transducer cable through the transom...How big a hole will I be drilling?
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Nevermind, I actually have a 740s....
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Originally Posted by Dave246 View Post
Hey Gil, I have a 741s (I think it is an "s", the boat is on a mooring 100 mi. from me right now...) and want to add a GCV 10 and the transducer for SideVu. Will this transducer also allow CHIRP DownVu? Is the connection process fairly straightforward? I am adept at running power, but I am wondering about the connectors, etc. especially if I am running the transducer cable through the transom...How big a hole will I be drilling?
After talking to Gil yesterday I think this is the route I will go on my 1040xs.

The current transom mount ducer looks horrible sticking off the back like that though - I am going to wait for the thru hull mount option which is supposed to be out in summer - meaning the next couple of months...sounds like a good option indeed....BUT...

I have the same concern - will that be both DownVu and SideVu - will be an interesting bit of kit if through hull and offers both - cant visualise how that will work

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any change on the ducer price?
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Originally Posted by El Segundo View Post
any change on the ducer price?
Not released yet but one has to think given what is required for a thru hull mounting etc. it will be more....



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