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Old 08-01-2019, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Outboard Specialties View Post
Per Suzuki: Only 1 per boat is required and works on 2016 motors and newer. The connect cable plugs in to where the interface would plug into and then plugs into the nmea2000 network via a tee.
You have the right idea about the smaller simrad simply for gauges and then cmor maps. Good thought since they do not work with garmin.
UPDATE/CORRECTION: On multiple engine boats you only need 1 of these new gateways per vessel but you would still need an engine interface for each additional engine. So on a twin engine use 1 gateway and 1 interface, on a triple use 1 gateway and 2 interfaces.
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Old 08-05-2019, 01:44 PM
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Not to confuse the issue, but:
I have Simrad EVO 3's and the new suzuki digital gauges. I get some, but not all data on the MFDs. Specifically, I do not have the ability to partially fill fuel tanks, get trip data, or use the fuel remaining gauge on the MFD. This works with the C10 and earlier, but not the new suzuki gauges. Will this new connect engine gateway provide this info or will it be the same info I am already receiving from the new suzuki gauges?

I had a previous thread where Moonlighter suggested I try the navico fuel data manager to get what I'm after, but I wanted to check in here before doing so.
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Originally Posted by primestuff View Post
Not to confuse the issue, but:
I have Simrad EVO 3's and the new suzuki digital gauges. I get some, but not all data on the MFDs. Specifically, I do not have the ability to partially fill fuel tanks, get trip data, or use the fuel remaining gauge on the MFD. This works with the C10 and earlier, but not the new suzuki gauges. Will this new connect engine gateway provide this info or will it be the same info I am already receiving from the new suzuki gauges?

I had a previous thread where Moonlighter suggested I try the navico fuel data manager to get what I'm after, but I wanted to check in here before doing so.
I had the same issue. Went from C10s to the new gauges. Added the fuel data manger and it fixed it. I don't use the "add fuel" feature, I have a fuel level sensor and use that. But the FDM fixed my trip fuel.
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Old 08-06-2019, 05:15 PM
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Mike, I'll need a little assistance. BTW, thanks for the super fast shipping.

I'll post a photo of my engine wire. Motors are df350

The Suzuki engine interface is a 4 prong female
The Suzuki wire from the motor is a 4 prong male

The Suzuki connect gateway is a 4 prong male and a 2 prong female. I can't connect 2 makes together.

​​​​​​maybe I'm looking for the wrong connection?


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Old 08-07-2019, 04:51 AM
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Morning,
You should be good, just unplug one of the engine interfaces(4 prong male) and plug the connect cable(4 prong male) in its place. The 2 prong male does not get used on this motor. Leave the other engine interface plugged in as is.
The connect cable is basically replacing the engine interface.
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Old 08-10-2019, 08:18 AM
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QUOTE=Outboard Specialties;12802072]Morning,
You should be good, just unplug one of the engine interfaces(4 prong male) and plug the connect cable(4 prong male) in its place. The 2 prong male does not get used on this motor. Leave the other engine interface plugged in as is.
The connect cable is basically replacing the engine interface.[/QUOTE]

So this is getting frustrating. Plugged in and went through the unit as told on instructions and nothing still

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Took a few restarts and works now. So weird

Where will engine errors show on the simrad?

Another update for future people, the alarm or code will flash dead center on the screen and in the upper left corner. Only thing I can't find is history of alarms.




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Old 08-11-2019, 12:35 AM
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Alarm history will be in the alarms menu.

Also, whenever a new device is added to the network, it is wise to run an auto-select for data sources. You added a new device eg the new Connect cable.

This is also a useful technique when any expected data is missing. Likely that would have quickly sorted your “nothing still” issue. Probably wouldnt hurt to run it even now.

menu/system/network/device list/data sources then select auto-select.


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Old 08-11-2019, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonlighter475 View Post
Alarm history will be in the alarms menu.

Also, whenever a new device is added to the network, it is wise to run an auto-select for data sources. You added a new device eg the new Connect cable.

This is also a useful technique when any expected data is missing. Likely that would have quickly sorted your “nothing still” issue. Probably wouldnt hurt to run it even now.

menu/system/network/device list/data sources then select auto-select.




I did that and it would not find it. So restart and auto select again. I did that a few times and it finally found it. I am pretty happy now not having to deal with the C10 anymore
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:27 AM
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Morning, Glad you got it sorted out. What I have seen on 1 other occasion is the gps unit needs updating and until that happens the suzuki will not show on the network, this unit automaticaly downloaded it and then after a restart 5 minutes later all was good to go, similar to your situation.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:44 PM
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Slight hick-up again. So the simrad displays the alarm code for the starboard motor and not the port motor. It was connected to the starboard. What I did was have the key in the on position and turn off the power to the starboard motor. Alarm displays low voltage starboard. Both the C10 and Simrad are beeping an error. Now I repeat this for the port motor, but only the C10 is beeping an error and the Simrad shows all is well with the port motor.

Any ideas how I can correct this?
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Old 08-13-2019, 04:26 AM
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Not really sure what you have going on there, just not enough time on these things yet. What motors do you have? Not sure what you mean by turn power off, are you stopping the motor on start/stop panel?
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Twin df350

I just turned off the main power switch. The motors are not running. I leave the key in the on position and just turn off the main power to the motor to force a low voltage alarm. My motors have independent batteries. The house batteries are not connected to them. It almost seems like I will need another connect cable to read the other motor fault on the simrad. I hope not because I'm doing this because my C10 enter button keeps failing. Essentially I'm paying to fix their crappy design.

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Old 08-14-2019, 12:57 AM
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I may have misunderstood what you said in post # 50, but it sounds like you attached the Connect cable to the Starboard engine?

Page 3 of the Connect Cable installation instructions says that on dual engine setups, the Connect Cable is to be attached to the Port engine. That could well explain the issues you had and are having.

Also, appreciate that any network device that is turned off, will not be active even though the rest of the network is turned on.

The engine interface cables (they are a network device) are powered by the engine - ergo when the engine is turned off, its interface cable becomes inactive, certainly within a second or two.

What this means is that when an engine that any Suzuki interface is connected to turned off at the key (or at a master battery switch), then that interface cable is no longer operating. Data and codes wont be sent. (At least not after a second or two - for proof of this, if you watch the Simrad engine dash screen, when the engine is turned off at the key, the engine data is lost very quickly and gauges etc grey out)

That would also mean that whenever the engine that has the Connect cable plugged into it is turned off at the key or battery master switch, I think its highly likely that no codes will be sent to the network for either engine, given that the Connect cable probably controls that functionality.

Your method of testing the low voltage alarm codes is therefore very likely to be fundamentally flawed.

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Old 08-14-2019, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonlighter475 View Post
I may have misunderstood what you said in post # 50, but it sounds like you attached the Connect cable to the Starboard engine?

Page 3 of the Connect Cable installation instructions says that on dual engine setups, the Connect Cable is to be attached to the Port engine. That could well explain the issues you had and are having.

Also, appreciate that any network device that is turned off, will not be active even though the rest of the network is turned on.

The engine interface cables (they are a network device) are powered by the engine - ergo when the engine is turned off, its interface cable becomes inactive, certainly within a second or two.

What this means is that when an engine that any Suzuki interface is connected to turned off at the key (or at a master battery switch), then that interface cable is no longer operating. Data and codes wont be sent. (At least not after a second or two - for proof of this, if you watch the Simrad engine dash screen, when the engine is turned off at the key, the engine data is lost very quickly and gauges etc grey out)

That would also mean that whenever the engine that has the Connect cable plugged into it is turned off at the key or battery master switch, I think its highly likely that no codes will be sent to the network for either engine, given that the Connect cable probably controls that functionality.

Your method of testing the low voltage alarm codes is therefore very likely to be fundamentally flawed.
If my logic is flawed, why does the C10 show low voltage? I'm not arguing , but the connection is hooked to the back bone which does have power
I'll switch the starboard to port though
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And when you switch the Connect cable to port, you will want to reconfigure the network as if it is a new install.

Make sure you follow the instructions in the installation manual EXACTLY.
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Originally Posted by Moonlighter475 View Post
And when you switch the Connect cable to port, you will want to reconfigure the network as if it is a new install.

Make sure you follow the instructions in the installation manual EXACTLY.
U unfortunately I've misplaced the instructions. I had them on my boat a gust of wind came and blew it into the water.
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Originally Posted by Brocnizer1 View Post
U unfortunately I've misplaced the instructions. I had them on my boat a gust of wind came and blew it into the water.
Mike posted them earlier in this thread. You will find them there.

This stuff is akin to a computer network, and if you are not already a computer expert, then following the instructions exactly is vital. Same with this stuff.

One mistake in either the physical network cabling setup (eg connecting the Connect cable to the wrong engine) or the backbone layout, or one mistake in doing the network configuration steps, then it all comes undone. And then people complain that the system is &#@$ when really the problem is that they didnt know &$@% when they set it up, and because they didnt bother to follow the instructions.

Or they messed with something not knowing what damage they might be causing - the network and components can be affected by power surges - how do you know that suddenly cutting power isn’t going to damage something?





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