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Old 02-06-2019, 01:47 PM
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I actually had a killer season. No one would believe that story Rich. Maybe someday I will tell it but the 5 people that were with me know its true.
I agree you did wack em and stacked em. I know it happened because the data said it was ripe for it. Just sucks it was a 50 instead of a 130
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Old 02-06-2019, 07:57 PM
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Hey Rich, how about if we organized a seminar. Shoot me a PM and let me know what we would need for numbers and admission to make it worth your while.
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Old 02-07-2019, 06:54 AM
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Have used terrafin and RIP charts both were fine. Terrafin seemed to put the latest shots up faster. Planning on switching to saltwater central this year.

even if the data is similar the ability to discuss things on an educational level and truly understand what the maps are showing would be the main reason for the switch.
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Old 02-07-2019, 06:55 AM
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Hey Rich, how about if we organized a seminar. Shoot me a PM and let me know what we would need for numbers and admission to make it worth your while.

if this ever happens I'd be in attendance.
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:13 AM
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personally I think it is a waste of time canyon fishing without it. Lots of people who fish the canyons boat fish. They pull up to the head of a canyon and put the lines in because there are 40 other boats there doing the same thing

Love it. Happens in shore as well. They are playing the game "monkey see, monkey do". It's fun to see how long they will stay with the fleet , even when they don't see anyone hooking up.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:26 AM
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Hey Rich, how about if we organized a seminar. Shoot me a PM and let me know what we would need for numbers and admission to make it worth your while.
I sent you my number I'm busy till 3 today after that call any time that's good for you. Be nice for a get together to show everyone interested how to target each species on purpose.
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I sent you my number I'm busy till 3 today after that call any time that's good for you. Be nice for a get together to show everyone interested how to target each species on purpose.
PLEASE set this up! It would be fantastic!
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Been using Terrafin....but will try saltwater central...always looking for new info
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Old 02-10-2019, 11:53 AM
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The pay sites get the same data as the free sites. The pay sites enhance it and interpret it for you. They look for day to day and hour by hour movement to predict where the break will be when you get there. Typically the water slides 5 miles per hour. That’s a huge area to find.....
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Old 02-10-2019, 12:45 PM
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5 miles an hour, 120 miles per day? Think something got lost in translation.
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Originally Posted by offshorebri View Post
The pay sites get the same data as the free sites. The pay sites enhance it and interpret it for you. They look for day to day and hour by hour movement to predict where the break will be when you get there. Typically the water slides 5 miles per hour. That’s a huge area to find.....
Not really the pay sites organize the data and place it over a base map. It would take you 2 days to goto all the free sites and try to organize the data sets As far as how far it moves or can move. You have tidal current wind ocean gyres spurs off of those gyres upwellings downwellings current seams structure nd temprature inversions all will influence where when why and how long it will move and the velocity will change with the tide every 6 hours as well. 5mph would be extreme around Key West and the gulf stream to NC as well as the Cape Cod canal that would be the only places I can think of that it might hit that type of velocity.
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Originally Posted by offshorebri View Post
The pay sites get the same data as the free sites. The pay sites enhance it and interpret it for you. They look for day to day and hour by hour movement to predict where the break will be when you get there. Typically the water slides 5 miles per hour. That’s a huge area to find.....
Because it is such a huge area is exactly why an investment in a paid service is helpful. If you want to steam 100 miles, troll blind all day getting skunked and steam all the way home think about your fuel bill. A paid service for an entire year will cost much less than just one shit trip like that. I can't believe the cost would prevent anyone who wants to fish the canyons from using a paid service. It is not expensive. Running around blind is expensive. I don't see too many free services winning tourneys.

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Old 02-10-2019, 02:31 PM
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What’s the realistic water movement in the NE Rich? 1/2 - 2 miles per day under “normal” circumstances and perhaps 5-6 miles a day if an eddy or filament is screaming north and west?


and yes, a paid service is a must for canyon fishing, I just happen to be loyal to the one I started with in 2002.
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Originally Posted by ubettcha13 View Post
I sent you my number I'm busy till 3 today after that call any time that's good for you. Be nice for a get together to show everyone interested how to target each species on purpose.
I'll give you a call tomorrow if that will work for you, Rich.
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Great, one other question, I know these are a must for canyon based on everyone’s responses. How well does this work for block island, acid barge, mudhole and cox ledge?
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What’s the realistic water movement in the NE Rich? 1/2 - 2 miles per day under “normal” circumstances and perhaps 5-6 miles a day if an eddy or filament is screaming north and west?


and yes, a paid service is a must for canyon fishing, I just happen to be loyal to the one I started with in 2002.
It really depends on how the up/down wellings are influencing the area. Last season we had currents running 2knts along the shelf from east to west moving the water that was really good fast enough to break it up into pockets on the surface but built an incredible underwater bubble that produced that bigeye bite end of July. Then in October I got a report from a sun Mon trip in Hydro I saw the water and we went to Veatch in really crappy weather Saturday. Because it was moving so fast we had a very hard thermocline with the warmer water at 70 and the hard break from 65 to 68 near the tip(no far at veatch mind you) We marked the hell out of the fish deep but only got one way way back on the slack. We moved up to the tip to tile fish and got covered up in 66-67 degree water on the dropping tide. A sporty (the only sport boat besides us)put in and trolled by us we hailed them but they wanted to chase that report and left. They went to Hydro struck out and came back. I think they had 1 for the trip.That water moved 24 miles in 5 days. You have to figure the ebb and flow of the tides will have a big influence as well as wind. Wind can cause it to form a downwelling (soutwest) or upwelling(NE) When that happens the current will stall or accelerate this movement. This is why I use salinity over temps. salinity identifies the water mass. Once I have it identified that I can follow it especially if it has been productive. I also follow the underwater temps because that will show where the actual place you should target vs where the surface may have blow over that is 1-2 miles from the actual convergence area is.
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Great, one other question, I know these are a must for canyon based on everyone’s responses. How well does this work for block island, acid barge, mudhole and cox ledge?
Yes they work well for bluefin as well. You don't use some features near as often however mixed layer depth and salinity can identify white marlin areas better than a temp break. Bluefin is a sea surface height chloro game. Find the best of both and you can score when others are searching from reports
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You can see how the water moved in the 3 days after the big game battle. This also started to form the water that had the fantastic white marlin bite into September. Not to mention that big sword came out of this water mass. These are the 2 salinity shots from Aug 10th and Aug 13th. Surface temps didn't change due to clear weather but water color did change quite abit
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Originally Posted by ubettcha13 View Post
Yes they work well for bluefin as well. You don't use some features near as often however mixed layer depth and salinity can identify white marlin areas better than a temp break. Bluefin is a sea surface height chloro game. Find the best of both and you can score when others are searching from reports
awesome i will shoot you a message next week to go over how to use it, I am going to use this weekend to view the tutorials
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Originally Posted by ubettcha13 View Post


You can see how the water moved in the 3 days after the big game battle. This also started to form the water that had the fantastic white marlin bite into September. Not to mention that big sword came out of this water mass. These are the 2 salinity shots from Aug 10th and Aug 13th. Surface temps didn't change due to clear weather but water color did change quite abit
were going to get more serious this year with are tuna fishing I'm going to sign up and do as you say looking forward to catching more fish
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