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Old 02-01-2019, 07:14 PM
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So I live in New Hampshire and go deep sea fishing often typically 20-25 miles offshore in the summer. I was just in Florida on the gulf side and went fishing 20 miles offshore. The charter I used had trips that would run out over 100 miles offshore. The seacoast in NH it seems like people just don't go out that far and I don't know why. Does anybody on this forum go 100 miles offshore for fishing , especially in new england? I ask this because I just seems more common in Florida.
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Old 02-01-2019, 07:31 PM
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Only if the fish are there. I fish the edge out of Westerly RI. The nearest canyon to me is Block, more well known as Fishtails Canyon. Its about a 90 mile run. Atlantis is more like 125 miles for me. You need a boat that you can depend on, one that can handle unexpected nasty conditions. Liferafts and epirbs I consider mandatory equipment. I havent fished the waters off NH, so I can't comment on whats out there. I don't go 100 miles out just to go that far; that's just where the canyons are.
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Old 02-01-2019, 07:36 PM
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So for a run to, the canyons where you live a 27 foot boat would be to small right?
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Like everything, it depends. I run an older 43 Hatt. Slow, but solid boat. A 27' modern center console with dependable twin engines would be ok for day trips, depending on the wx. A single engine 20 yr old 27' Searay, maybe not so much.
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Also 100 miles offshore the waves can probably pick up fast, and go from 3' in the morning to 6' in the afternoon. Whats also inconvenient I think is that the marine forecast buoys don't cover that far out so you don't know what kinds of waves you be running into.
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Old 02-01-2019, 08:07 PM
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That doesnt require being out 100 miles. That can happen 1 mile out depending on the wind direction. And it can happen in 15 minutes. I went out several years ago in 4's and 5's, with the forecast for it to lay down. Ran 125 miles to Atlantis. Overnight, instead of laying down, a back door cold front descended on us. Morning brought 15's to 20's with an occasional larger one thrown in for good measure. Whatever the conditions that are there on the way out, you can usually count on them being significantly different on the way back in. I would not recommend approaching it lightly.
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Hook: What do you have for a boat? Safety equip? You said you typically go out 20-25 miles offshore. How did you compare the conditions from the Gulf to N.E waters? If your vessel, YOU and your crew are ready for 100 miles offshore then I don't see the problem. If you're already doing 20-25 miles out, then what's another 75? You already seem like you're out there (20-25 miles offshore). I've never been more than 5 miles offshore and I've got an EPIRB, AIS transceiver, raft, diesel fuel bladders and redundant VHF's.

Hopefully some of the Stellwagen and north shore offshore guys will chime in.

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Old 02-01-2019, 10:10 PM
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Like everything, it depends. I run an older 43 Hatt. Slow, but solid boat. A 27' modern center console with dependable twin engines would be ok for day trips, depending on the wx. A single engine 20 yr old 27' Searay, maybe not so much.
a 100 miles each way for a day trip? Screw that, I'll perfect my fly-fishing before that's a common trip.
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In my limited experience, I’ve only made 10 canyon trips or so on my boat. It is a 27 foot center console with a single diesel with outdrive. I do my own maintenance and make sure that all systems are go prior to each trip. I carry an inspected 4 person valise liferaft, a registered EPIRB, 4 survival suites with whistles and strobes, 4 offshore life jackets with whistles and strobes, a first aid kit, a sat phone, a tool kit, spare fuel filters, spare bilge pump. Spare raw water impeller and serpentine belt for the engine. I feel confident in my skills to go 120 miles to Veatch from point judith for overnights. I try to keep a regular crew for the experience factor. One time I brought a friend of a friend that supposedly had boating experience to the canyons. Let’s just say that will never happen again. Best to do a couple of inshore trips with a newbie before venturing out to the edge with them.
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Originally Posted by Hookbait232 View Post
So for a run to, the canyons where you live a 27 foot boat would be to small right?
..and awaaaaaaaaaay we go.

For the record, I'm all for it. Not trying to be anyone's mother or part of the nanny state.
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..and awaaaaaaaaaay we go.

For the record, I'm all for it. Not trying to be anyone's mother or part of the nanny state.
i avoided the last thread involving small boats to the canyons, but this time I couldn’t resist.
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10 trips go great. 1 trip goes bad and your out shopping for golf clubs.
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Old 02-02-2019, 09:59 AM
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a 100 miles each way for a day trip? Screw that, I'll perfect my fly-fishing before that's a common trip.
I agree even though I really don’t even fish. There is one other consideration........what the heck is a ‘day trip’ after eating up the hours just getting there and then there is the return trip?????
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First, if you fish the canyons of the NE from northern NJ on up, you're running 80-100 miles offshore to get to the canyons. And why go there? Because that's usually where the water and the fish are. Now the bluefin will commonly run in considerably closer, but for the last decade or so, with the occasional consistent bite in the Chicken Canyon area or the NW corner of the Dump, etc., the yellowfin have for the most part stayed out at the canyons.

Do most people do this as a day trip? No. Most people do it as an overnight -- as a 24-30 hour trip. That way you can run in the daytime, get out to the canyon while it's light, troll for a couple of hours and get the sunset bite, drift for swords or shark overnight (or chunk for yellowfin in late summer/fall), and catch the pre-dawn and morning bite before heading for the barn. This maximizes your fishing time for the long and expensive running time.

Now, we've done day trips to the edge, leaving at 5 or 6 am or earlier in the dark and returning at dusk, but you tend to miss the best hours of the day for fishing when you're running, and its just too much running for one day.

Is a 27 footer too small for the canyons? It totally depends on your weather window. If we're in the middle of a stalled high pressure system and it's calm, then why the hell not? You're talking about a 3 1/2 hour run each way. As long as you have the fuel capacity, your boat is in top condition, and you have the right safety equipment (sat phone, EPIRB, and a raft) and it's summertime, go for it. But be prepared for conditions to change rapidly by the mile. I've been out in 5-8s all the way to the canyon and then it flattens out to nothing. Or else the reverse happens. Count on the forecast being wrong. Always expect a brisk afternoon SW breeze to kick up. Bottom line, you don't see a lot of 27 footers out in our canyons but you do see some.
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We make a number of trips to the canyons each season (90-120 miles out), like others have said weather changes can make it uncomfortable to say the least. You need the right safety equipment, a knowledgeable crew, and a seaworthy boat. It would be nice to fish a few miles off the coast, like the east coast of Florida to catch pelagics, but the fish usually don’t come in close - when they do move in, they’re still out 30-50 miles. Having fished out of Gloucester, anywhere on Middle Bank is an easy run compared to our canyon trips.
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In my opinion you can’t look at it as a “fishing trip” it is so much more than that. Its a crazy experience everytime you go, you never know whats gonna happen or what you will see. Go out once with someone else who knows what theyre doing and your either gonna hate it or be hooked for life. I think everyone else with this affliction can attest for the hooked for life part. Nothing on this planet compares to canyon fishing for me.
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I don’t tuna wish and runs to the edge are not in my repertoire. My 25 footer is a fantastic fishing platform but it is not the boat, you wanna be coming home from 100+ miles with 5’ers on the bow. I do fish the Block Island Area several times a week both day & overnight. I would wager we put as much meat on deck as anyone fishing recreationally in the area. NO never the 100-1000lb tuna but most days we are at limits for everyone on the boat for both Stripe Bass & Black Sea Bass, most Scup get tossed unless brontosaurus sized but we slay them too. The 19” Fluke are elusive and that is one targeted species that we typically do NOT limit out on.

Sharks?? I kinda gave up on that but have caught/fought so many I got bored with it. Set up a quality chum slick anywhere from the Acid Barge out to the Suffolk/Tuna Ridge or beyond and the blue dogs will show up en masse. Usually including some big boys that might be skinny compared to a Mako but I guarantee will look very impressive in that nice clear water when compared against a 23-25 foot boat. Other species of shark, less likely to show up then the blue dogs, but that’s no different then anywhere else.

I am not knocking the canyon game and on top of that I don’t play it, so I have ZERO business or experience offering commentary. I do see the pictures here of guys boating trophy fish and I bet the beer tastes REAL GOOD with one of those big boys on ice in the box coming home, gotta be very exciting and fun fishing if properly equipped.

The only reason I chimed in is that you don’t have to go “100 miles offshore” to have a great and productive day of offshore fishing, if you put in your time and pay attention you can find outstanding fishing 20-30 miles offshore.

If you’re questioning you or you’re boat’s capability to make a 100 mile or more trip, you might wanna decrease your range a bit and realize that you may be passing over a LOT of great fishing along the way while trying to reach that 100+ mile destination....







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So I live in New Hampshire and go deep sea fishing often typically 20-25 miles offshore in the summer. I was just in Florida on the gulf side and went fishing 20 miles offshore. The charter I used had trips that would run out over 100 miles offshore. The seacoast in NH it seems like people just don't go out that far and I don't know why. Does anybody on this forum go 100 miles offshore for fishing , especially in new england? I ask this because I just seems more common in Florida.
There are so many places to fish within 30 miles from shore in NH that it doesn't make a lot of sense to venture out further to many. I fish all summer out on Jeffries Ledge, a 25 to 30 mi trip for me with a 26' single engine cuddy. A lot of the party boats offer marathons and overnighters, some may do Cashes or Fippennies or Platts but the topography is similiar. East coast of Fl, the continental shelf in some areas is less than 15 miles out, but the west coast in comparison is shallow, that is more than likely the reason for the longer charters, just to get to deeper waters where seasonally fish move to. IMHO
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I run 80+ miles in my 27 footer often out of Barnegat, NJ. It’s a day trip leaving around 3am and back around 6pm. We do this at least 10-12 times a season with many mid shore days mixed in as well depending on where the bite is.
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Originally Posted by ky87le View Post
In my opinion you can’t look at it as a “fishing trip” it is so much more than that. Its a crazy experience everytime you go, you never know whats gonna happen or what you will see. Go out once with someone else who knows what theyre doing and your either gonna hate it or be hooked for life. I think everyone else with this affliction can attest for the hooked for life part. Nothing on this planet compares to canyon fishing for me.
What he said!!!

Btw, we usually do triple over nighters if the wx cooperates. Ambrosia Mae out of Westerly RI. Always on 68 while out.
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