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Old 07-18-2018, 10:24 AM
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Does anyone know if a rec boat can retain a giant BFT this year? I know the rule is 2 school bluefin tuna (27 to <47”) and 1 large school/small medium bluefin tuna (47 to <73”), but are we unable to retain a giant?

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Originally Posted by Bgrabs1 View Post
Hi friends,

Does anyone know if a rec boat can retain a giant BFT this year? I know the rule is 2 school bluefin tuna (27 to <47”) and 1 large school/small medium bluefin tuna (47 to <73”), but are we unable to retain a giant?

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As of now, yes, but why would you?
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As of now, yes, but why would you?
Thanks! Big family, lots of friends- we all enjoy fresh tuna. Seems if the commercial guys can take them it would stand to reason that the rec guys should get a shot at one a season, but I guess not
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No one has enough "friends" for 200 #'s of tuna. Facebook glory doesn't last long.
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As of now, yes, but why would you?
IGFA line class record comes to mind, kind of the point of having the rec "trophy" season
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Let's do some simple math. Four guys go. Each guy has his own family of four. Each guy also has a brother, uncle and a grandfather and let's just say one other friend that loves tuna. The brother also has a family of four so does his buddy.

That should work out to 14 times 4 which is 56 people. Assuming the grandmother isn't alive and his uncle is single.

I myself could easily eat three pounds of fresh tuna in one sitting but let's for argument sake assume each person eats one pound. Let's also assume that they eat it twice before it needs to be frozen that comes out to 112lbs

now if the Uncle also has a family of four and grandma is still alive that adds another 40 lbs so let's just for the sake of argument use round numbers and call it 150lbs that is eaten within 2 days.

That still leaves 50 lbs which is usually sold to the friend that owns a restaurant locally at 5$ a pound.
to help pay for the trip.

Now if you are a popular guy and have more than one friend that loves tuna nothing even gets sold to the restaurant and everything is consumed within 2 or 3 days.

Nothing is even Frozen let alone wasted!
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Let's do some simple math. Four guys go. Each guy has his own family of four. Each guy also has a brother, uncle and a grandfather and let's just say one other friend that loves tuna. The brother also has a family of four so does his buddy.

That should work out to 14 times 4 which is 56 people. Assuming the grandmother isn't alive and his uncle is single.

I myself could easily eat three pounds of fresh tuna in one sitting but let's for argument sake assume each person eats one pound. Let's also assume that they eat it twice before it needs to be frozen that comes out to 112lbs

now if the Uncle also has a family of four and grandma is still alive that adds another 40 lbs so let's just for the sake of argument use round numbers and call it 150lbs that is eaten within 2 days.

That still leaves 50 lbs which is usually sold to the friend that owns a restaurant locally at 5$ a pound.
to help pay for the trip.


Now if you are a popular guy and have more than one friend that loves tuna nothing even gets sold to the restaurant and everything is consumed within 2 or 3 days.

Nothing is even Frozen let alone wasted!
Aren't you proving his point? you cant possibly eat it so you have to illegally sell it. I really have no problem with a trophy category for rec fishermen but I found it funny that you used this as a way to get rid of 50# of unaccounted meat. I have no idea how on earth you would distribute tuna to 56 people before it goes bad. Maybe you have alot more friends than me
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That still leaves 50 lbs which is usually sold to the friend that owns a restaurant locally at 5$ a pound.
to help pay for the trip.
WTF are you even talking about?
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another point being that restaurants typically wouldntt just buy a slab of meat you hacked off after your 56 people picked through. They buy the whole fish.
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Originally Posted by slowahead View Post
Let's do some simple math. Four guys go. Each guy has his own family of four. Each guy also has a brother, uncle and a grandfather and let's just say one other friend that loves tuna. The brother also has a family of four so does his buddy.

That should work out to 14 times 4 which is 56 people. Assuming the grandmother isn't alive and his uncle is single.

I myself could easily eat three pounds of fresh tuna in one sitting but let's for argument sake assume each person eats one pound. Let's also assume that they eat it twice before it needs to be frozen that comes out to 112lbs

now if the Uncle also has a family of four and grandma is still alive that adds another 40 lbs so let's just for the sake of argument use round numbers and call it 150lbs that is eaten within 2 days.

That still leaves 50 lbs which is usually sold to the friend that owns a restaurant locally at 5$ a pound.
to help pay for the trip.

Now if you are a popular guy and have more than one friend that loves tuna nothing even gets sold to the restaurant and everything is consumed within 2 or 3 days.

Nothing is even Frozen let alone wasted!
Answer honestly, have you ever actually caught a commercial size BFT? Cause that's great in theory but not how it really works, at all. It goes more like this...

Somebody wants to pound their chest on social media, they kill a 73" plus fish, do not care for the meat properly, they filet it and leave 30% of the meat on the rack, then eat it for a couple days, but it doesn't taste as good as it should cause it wasn't cared for properly, since most rec boats don't have a fish hold big enough to ice down a giant. Your uncle and grandfather LOVE tuna and eat the shit out of it. The rest of your family and friends are mostly only curious to try a taste, but the women are all worried about the mercury levels in tuna, so they just take a bit to not insult you. Your friend that takes a prime loin back home in a cooler, cooks it for himself but his wife wants to get knocked up soon so she doesn't eat it, and she wont let the kids eat it either, that friend throws out most of what you gave him. Next, you start giving it away to anyone that answers their FB post saying "Caught a GIANT, anybody that wants meat, let me know brosephs" as a caption to a glorious picture of you posing with the trophy. Random people on FB come and get some meat, but who knows what they do with it and you never talk to them again. After that, most forget about the remaining 75lbs in their freezer until they catch the next one, once that happens they throw the old meat out to make room for the new meat, which will DEF be 100% consumed.

I will add, I am all for harvesting tuna... to me there is no fish better for eating. I just think you cant honestly say the that a 73" plus fish is to is going to be consumed by the crew, families and friends. Its just too much meat.

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Pretty clear in the regs (subject to change), though I agree with Ronn.

https://hmspermits.noaa.gov/news

2018 Recreational Atlantic Bluefin Tuna Retention Limits

Effective April 26 through December 31, 2018, the BFT daily retention limits are the following. For HMS Angling-permitted vessels: 2 school BFT (27 to <47") + 1 large school/small medium BFT (47 to <73"); for HMS Charter/Headboat-permitted vessels: 3 school BFT + 1 large school/small medium BFT. These limits are effective for all areas except the Gulf of Mexico. Angling and Charter/Headboat vessels may also land 1 trophy BFT measuring 73" or greater per vessel per year north of 39°18’N (off Great Egg Inlet, NJ). The trophy bluefin fishery for the southern area is closed, The Gulf of Mexico area will close at 11:30 p.m. May 13. The recreational yellowfin tuna retention limit is 3/person/day or trip. The minimum size for yellowfin and bigeye tuna is 27" curved fork length. There are no recreational limits for bigeye, skipjack, or albacore tunas.
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Answer honestly, have you ever actually caught a commercial size BFT? Cause that's great in theory but not how it really works, at all. It goes more like this...

Somebody wants to pound their chest on social media, they kill a 73" plus fish, do not care for the meat properly, they filet it and leave 30% of the meat on the rack, then eat it for a couple days, but it doesn't taste as good as it should cause it wasn't cared for properly, since most rec boats don't have a fish hold big enough to ice down a giant. Your uncle and grandfather LOVE tuna and eat the shit out of it. The rest of your family and friends are mostly only curious to try a taste, but the women are all worried about the mercury levels in tuna, so they just take a bit to not insult you. Your friend that takes a prime loin back home in a cooler, cooks it for himself but his wife wants to get knocked up soon so she doesn't eat it, and she wont let the kids eat it either, that friend throws out most of what you gave him. Next, you start giving it away to anyone that answers their FB post saying "Caught a GIANT, anybody that wants meat, let me know brosephs" as a caption to a glorious picture of you posing with the trophy. Random people on FB come and get some meat, but who knows what they do with it and you never talk to them again. After that, most forget about the remaining 75lbs in their freezer until they catch the next one, once that happens they throw the old meat out to make room for the new meat, which will DEF be 100% consumed.

I will add, I am all for harvesting tuna... to me there is no fish better for eating. I just think you cant honestly say the that a 73" plus fish is to is going to be consumed by the crew, families and friends. Its just too much meat.
this is spot on. all the "tuna loving friends" already have dinner plans, or are away for the night, or are out at the bar and will "grab it later" but never get around to it and say 'get me next time'. We fish with a headboat permit and we killed a 59" fish last year and kept it and could barely give it away before having to freeze.
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Thanks! Big family, lots of friends- we all enjoy fresh tuna. Seems if the commercial guys can take them it would stand to reason that the rec guys should get a shot at one a season, but I guess not
spoken like a greedy commercial guy,its none of his buisness.1 per season,give us a break.if you know what your doing,it freezes just fine.i bet theres more tuna that are caught commercially and discarded dead because their too short.

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We’ve harvested a giant the last two years running, just wasn’t sure if I could this year. I own a big coffin style freezer and a nice vacuum sealer. No illegal sales, just vacuum well and eat it all winter/ give some away to happy friends any family. All the “sharpies” trying to play eco justice warrior can shove it. We don’t retain what we can’t and don’t sell illegally. We abide by the regulations and don’t take more than we can consume.
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nothing wrong with keeping a giant. Not a fan of vacum sealers no matter how good you do it meat turns grey. Ive met several people who swear by canning it. My next investment is a used canning machine.
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Aren't you proving his point? you cant possibly eat it so you have to illegally sell it. I really have no problem with a trophy category for rec fishermen but I found it funny that you used this as a way to get rid of 50# of unaccounted meat. I have no idea how on earth you would distribute tuna to 56 people before it goes bad. Maybe you have alot more friends than me
distribution would go something like this:

Step 1: after tuna is cut into manageable pieces it is then bagged.

Step 2: each of the four people that were on the boat then take the appropriate amount of bags and place it in their cooler to be distributed amongst there friends and relatives who will swing by later that evening.

Step 3: your brother uncle grandfather and friend come over with a cooler of Their own, you could either place the bags in the cooler yourself or allow them to take the bags from your cooler and put it into their own.

Step 4: once home each individual takes the bag out of the cooler places it in the refrigerator to be consumed at a time of their choosing most likely right away.

I think you may have been confused. One person isn't actually Distributing to 56 the one person is Distributing to three. Those three are then Distributing to 4, it's really not that difficult.

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distribution would go something like this:

Step 1: after tuna is cut into manageable pieces it is then bagged.

Step 2: each of the four people that were on the boat then take the appropriate amount of bags and place it in their cooler to be distributed amongst there friends and relatives who will swing by later that evening.

Step 3: your brother uncle grandfather and friend come over with a cooler of Their own, you could either place the bags in the cooler yourself or allow them to take the bags from your cooler and put it into their own.

Step 4: once home each individual takes the bag out of the cooler places it in the refrigerator to be consumed at a time of their choosing most likely right away.

I think you may have been confused. One person isn't actually Distributing to 56 the one person is Distributing to three. Those three are then Distributing to 4, it's really not that difficult.

I would draw you a picture but I don't have any crayons!

im all for recreational fisherman taking their one trophy. But you might want to rethink the part where you mention illegally selling fish as a way to get rid of extra meat leftover.
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distribution would go something like this:

Step 1: after tuna is cut into manageable pieces it is then bagged.

Step 2: each of the four people that were on the boat then take the appropriate amount of bags and place it in their cooler to be distributed amongst there friends and relatives who will swing by later that evening.

Step 3: your brother uncle grandfather and friend come over with a cooler of Their own, you could either place the bags in the cooler yourself or allow them to take the bags from your cooler and put it into their own.

Step 4: once home each individual takes the bag out of the cooler places it in the refrigerator to be consumed at a time of their choosing most likely right away.

I think you may have been confused. One person isn't actually Distributing to 56 the one person is Distributing to three. Those three are then Distributing to 4, it's really not that difficult.

I would draw you a picture but I don't have any crayons!
I understand it clearly, I just don’t think it’s realistic.

You just aren’t going to get a lot of sympathy posting about why you should be allowed to keep giants so you can sell extra fish illegally to restaurants. You literally said you would sell 50# to a restaurant for $5 / pound so stop back tracking.

Commercial fishermen pay a ton of money to get boat and licenses in order to sell fish legally.
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I've never caught a gbft, but I have caught bigeye and numerous yft/lft in one trip. Hundreds of pounds of fish. Don't know about the rest of the crew but my share all finds a good home and gets consumed. If there were a place I could legally donate some, I would do that also.

Don't get so greedy. As much as you think recs do nothing but poach, it really doesn't happen all that often with palegics. No restaurant is going to buy from some guy with a cooler and a slab of meat. The first thing a food inspector is going to ask for is the receipts for the fish on the menu. It has to come from licensed dealers. Sure, some guys will buy under the table, but it isn't done by people who don't have the contacts, and those aren't people who fish on rec tickets. It's more likely someone will have a general clat permit if they are going to sell under the table on a regular basis. They can land more fish without a lot of questions at the dock.
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If you are really eating all of a commercial size fish... more power to you. I think most here are objecting to the idea of killing a fish only to let it go to waste.

Selling your catch illegally isnt going to get any support from rec or commercial guys.
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