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Old 04-23-2018, 06:28 PM
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I don't see intro section so....: I'm new to boating this year but am involved in the aviation industry (former corporate pilot, flight instructor, ect.) There are a lot of parallels and some things that are frustrating different between the two. I'll primarily be boating in Narragansett Bay so will probably be asking some questions while I get my feet wet.

So, while checking out the LNM's, on the current one (16/18) page 7 there are notices that Newport Harbor North Channel Buoys 1 and 4 have daymarks listed as "Improper Characteristics". Can someone explain this? I can't find online examples of buoys with daymarks on them.

I'm sure to have more questions. It has been enjoyable and somewhat frustrating trying to find all the federal, state, local harbor regulations for boating. They seem to be scattered all over the internet!

Thanks,

Matt
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First off, buoys and daymarkers are two different things. I fish out of Point Judith a few times a year so I'm not crazy familiar with the area, but can you be a little more specific with the area or attach a screenshot of the chart.
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Old 04-23-2018, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gregb5220 View Post
First off, buoys and daymarkers are two different things. I fish out of Point Judith a few times a year so I'm not crazy familiar with the area, but can you be a little more specific with the area or attach a screenshot of the chart.
Yes, hence my confusion. Due to not having 10 posts yet, I can't post an image of the Local Notice to Mariners nor a link to it.

If you search "Local Notice to Mariners" and click on the first link, then click on District 1 on the map, and then the most recent notice (16-18) you'll see what I mean on page 7 about 3/4 of the way down.

Newport Harbor North Channel Buoy 1.....DAYMK IMCH
Newport Harbor North Channel Buoy 4.....DAYMK IMCH
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Old 04-24-2018, 10:19 AM
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Good Afternoon,

Excellent question and glad to see some folks still read the Notice to Mariners. According to the U.S> Coast Guard Light List the Definition of a Daymark is: Daymark: The daytime identifier of an aid to navigation. This could be anything on a buoy identifying the aid during daylight hours such as missing numbers or reflective material, severely worn paint, a top mark missing etc. I did confirm this with the District branch which oversees all of the Aids to Navigation in the First Coast Guard District. You can find out more by going to the Coast Guard NAVCEN website.

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Old 04-24-2018, 09:28 PM
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Good Afternoon,

Excellent question and glad to see some folks still read the Notice to Mariners. According to the U.S> Coast Guard Light List the Definition of a Daymark is: Daymark: The daytime identifier of an aid to navigation. This could be anything on a buoy identifying the aid during daylight hours such as missing numbers or reflective material, severely worn paint, a top mark missing etc. I did confirm this with the District branch which oversees all of the Aids to Navigation in the First Coast Guard District. You can find out more by going to the Coast Guard NAVCEN website.

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Thanks for the info! I guessed that might have been the case since looking back at the previous LNMs the rest of the channel buoys were on the list and have been subsequently removed (I guess after being remarked/repainted/fixed.)

In aviation we have Notices to Airmen (NOTAMs), but the gathering of information is much easier. Before every flight the pilot gets a briefing from either a Flight Service Station or (in the case of many corporate departments) a third party. This includes weather, and any pertinent NOTAMs for your departure point, destination, alternative airports, and intermediate airspace. Very rarely have I've seen LNM mentioned. Not in any videos, online sources (Boaterexam.com, ect.), or in my boater safety certification class. It was 90% lights, buoys, and pfds (somewhat exaggerating). Even stuff like reading a marine chart was barely glossed over. I've probably spent easily 500 hours watching videos and reviewing websites in preparation of boating and still feel information is "hidden" and scattered all over the place. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but coming from a highly standardized industry like aviation, boating knowledge seems very loosely promoted.
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Welcome. Always nice to see a fellow aviator on the site. Good for you pulling up the LNM. It’s been a while since I have done that but there is some good information there. Unlike Aviation most knowledge is tribal in boating, especially local conditions where knowledge is gained from experience and passed along. I think you’ll find the navigation part (whether by chart plotter or paper) to be the easiest from your background. As you said there are a lot of parallels. Safe boating,

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When I mentioned checked with the district I should have mentioned downstairs. I currently work for CG as a civilian and this was after a 29 year active duty career with fourteen working aids to navigation. Some buoys are seasonally removed and replaced after winter due to ice forming in those areas in the winter. Aids are checked, touched up when needed, numbers and retro replaced when needed, chain replaced and aid set back on station. It is the same process weather it is a lighted buoy offshore a a small can or nun in a narrow channel. ATON is by far one of the best jobs in the Coast Guard but never glorious scrapping guano off of buoys. There is lots of information weekly in the LNM and hope you have a good boating season.
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Originally Posted by Rhinesel View Post
I don't see intro section so....: I'm new to boating this year but am involved in the aviation industry (former corporate pilot, flight instructor, ect.) There are a lot of parallels and some things that are frustrating different between the two. I'll primarily be boating in Narragansett Bay so will probably be asking some questions while I get my feet wet.

So, while checking out the LNM's, on the current one (16/18) page 7 there are notices that Newport Harbor North Channel Buoys 1 and 4 have daymarks listed as "Improper Characteristics". Can someone explain this? I can't find online examples of buoys with daymarks on them.

I'm sure to have more questions. It has been enjoyable and somewhat frustrating trying to find all the federal, state, local harbor regulations for boating. They seem to be scattered all over the internet!

Thanks,

Matt
Hi Matt,

I am a 30 year veteran air traffic controller at Boston Center and agree about the information the CG puts out is a little harder to find than a NOTAM. The best way to get info is from local boaters and from the Active Captain app.

If if you need any info or advice please PM me.

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Improper characteristics on a daymark simply means that the color, shape or number are missing, unclear or incorrect
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Hi Matt,

I am a 30 year veteran air traffic controller at Boston Center and agree about the information the CG puts out is a little harder to find than a NOTAM. The best way to get info is from local boaters and from the Active Captain app.

If if you need any info or advice please PM me.

Scott
I current hung up my wings and now work in Airport Operations. I actually took classes for ATC while flight instructing at Daniel Webster College in Nashua. Great to learn the other side!

Thanks for the info and welcoming all!
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Originally Posted by Rhinesel View Post


I current hung up my wings and now work in Airport Operations. I actually took classes for ATC while flight instructing at Daniel Webster College in Nashua. Great to learn the other side!

Thanks for the info and welcoming all!
Small world, I graduated DWC, 1989.
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Small world Indeed!. Graduated from Hawthorne in NH but did some check rides at Daniel Webster in 1987!

I agree about the lack of Notams, the "non standard" stuff is confusing to me...
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Small world Indeed!. Graduated from Hawthorne in NH but did some check rides at Daniel Webster in 1987!

I agree about the lack of Notams, the "non standard" stuff is confusing to me...
Hawthorne? I was there when it shutdown.
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Hawthorne? I was there when it shutdown.
They broke the mold
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Wow, crazy how these worlds collide. I believe SNU is going to try to revive the aviation program at "Webster".
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