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Diosces 09-10-2017 09:22 AM

First used boat purchase for family fun on Hudson River. Need feedback
 
We've shopped boats several years in the past and had a few cruisers surveyed but never found the right one in good shape for our budget.

After a great trip to Lake George, tubing and touring on a nice 26 ft Cobalt and some time on a cruiser at Jersey shore we are firmly committed to become boat owners. Our initial budget is rather tight at the moment @ $25,000

We want something with room for 6-8 to daytrip/tube the kids on the Hudson between Hoboken and StonyPoint with possible trips in nice weather into the larger NY harbor/Raritan Bay area. Also want to return to Lake George with our OWN boat so needs to trailer and launch.

We've settled on a larger bowrider as our first, needs to have an enclosed head with pump out for my wife/daughters to use. We will have the prospective boat surveyed and hire a mechanic to check the powerplant.

Initially our First choice '97 28 foot Sea Ray Bowrider, looks like the important stuff has been updated, rebuilt/replaced
https://southjersey.craigslist.org/b...254229835.html

Second choice 2004 26 ft Chaparral AUnestaa little newer but not sure if maintained as well as first
http://www.boats.com/power-boats/2004-sea-ray-270-sundeck-6327881/#.WbNhOch95hF
Third choice was, looks like mainly first water only
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/bod...295614662.html

However after talking with friend the one we are going to see is 1999 26 foot Chris Craft Sport deck. We feel more comfortable budgetwise and gives us room for large maintenance items and could buy a trailer next spring. The broker said it's been well maintained, super clean and owned by a conscientious 85 year old grandfather. He said it's the perfect boat for several seasons before we upgrade.
https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/b...236384442.html
So we have the Chris Craft scheduled for Tuesday. If we like it I have a surveyor lined up for Friday, with a followup with a mechanic if report is acceptable. I'd appreciate comments and guidance.

Also anything regarding experience with bow-riders on our area of the Hudson that would be helpful?


Thanks!

LouC 09-10-2017 08:09 PM

It looks like three of them had bottom paint, you want to know if they were used in salt water or fresh. Personally having owned a boat in salt water, this type of boat (inboard/outboard, raw water cooled) will need more maintenance and expense if run in salt water for any length of time. I'd probably investigate the one used in Lake Hoptakong since that is fresh water....
Keep in mind also that this general type of boat (I/O bowrider, lots of seating/cushions etc) is going to need a lot of maintenance and cleaning to keep it looking good. These all will do what you want but you have to be prepared for the cost of annual winterization, maintenance and spring getting it ready services. And if you get a trailer they need maintenance eventually as well (brakes)....

Diosces 09-11-2017 02:23 PM

Thanks for the recommendations LouC, and maintenance reqs duly noted.


We have our first appointment tomorrow afternoon.
Already got a certified surveyor picked out if we like the boat..

pfithian 09-11-2017 02:52 PM

Get an outboard center console or pilothouse if you can.

HarleyFLHP 09-11-2017 03:01 PM

As your first boat, I would avoid an inboard engine. Lots of maintenance. I used to run my boat on the Hudson for many years. It can and will, get VERY choppy and windy. Get something that will handle a good chop. Also, try to avoid anything with bottom paint, if you're planning on bringing the boat up to Lake George. They are very particular about, outside boats bringing in foreign organisms, on your hull.

If your heart is set on a bow rider, I had a Grady-White bow rider, that did well on the Hudson. Grady-White Adventure 208 or Tournament 205 would work nicely.

Diosces 09-12-2017 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by HarleyFLHP (Post 10661450)
As your first boat, I would avoid an inboard engine. Lots of maintenance. I used to run my boat on the Hudson for many years. It can and will, get VERY choppy and windy. Get something that will handle a good chop. Also, try to avoid anything with bottom paint, if you're planning on bringing the boat up to Lake George. They are very particular about, outside boats bringing in foreign organisms, on your hull.

If your heart is set on a bow rider, I had a Grady-White bow rider, that did well on the Hudson. Grady-White Adventure 208 or Tournament 205 would work nicely.


Thanks Harley,
Duly noted, The Grady whites are nice but we cant touch anything used in our price range..

Yeah I was on the regular ferry from Pier 11 the other day and saw what was happening to some small craft in my area of of the Hudson with all the chop.

HarleyFLHP 09-12-2017 01:23 PM

$25k can get you a lot of boat.

Price is a little high, but looks like a nice boat (no affiliation).

https://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/b...293711687.html

fisheron 09-12-2017 02:54 PM

Being mainly a fisherman those models never suited me. But I see the attraction of them,mostly ample seating for short duration trips. All boats are a comprimise of features.

For longer trips wives and kids love a cabin to relax in and escape the blazing sun. But that will limit your passenger capacity so may not be doable. If you could limit the passengers to 5 or 6 I would suggest a big walk around cuddy or sedan type. Some have room up on the front deck to sit or lay out on.

Aside from that I would suggest a canvas top would be required for anything more than a few hours on the water. To get that many people out the boat should be as large as possable and a functional private toilet is important to females. Males are usually fine going over the side with a bucket for emergencys.

I fish the waters between NY harbor and the sandy hook/raritan bay often. They are often choppy so again go as big as possable or you will be banging your passengers up.

Your 25 k max budget should include boats in the 30k and even some up to the 35k "asking"range. For the higher asking price boats I would not lowball but just respectfully throw out your 25k max.number to them. Most sellers will not go that low but a motovated seller would. I hate lowballers like most but respectfull lower offers never hurt anyone.

Good luck.

Diosces 09-12-2017 07:54 PM

Thanks guys. The Whaler looks nice but we want more deck space.

We saw the 26' 1999 Chris Craft today. Interior upholstery is great shape, a few interior dings and chips but nothing major. Pump out head and all the canvas in good shape.
Engine ran smooth, the little water in the bilge sump was clear with no oil. Looked well maintained but I will rely on a professional to advise me.
The Chris Craft is same size/larger as most of the other bow-riders I find docked at Hoboken and Lincoln Harbor marinas. And we are comfortable with the price point on the boat and the wife likes it..

Once the broker faxes me the maintenance records we'll make offer.
These are several of the marine surveyors local to the area we are choosing from, any experience with them?

Michael Davidson @Michael's Marine Inspections
C. Paul Case @ Eastpoint Marine { I think we hired him to do a previous survey for us about 8 years ago on a boat we wound up not buying..)
Patrick Dender @ Acredited Marine
John Spencer @ Spencer Marine Surveys
Karl Forsberg
Dennis Kelly Teal Yacht

smccormick 09-12-2017 09:48 PM

Good luck with your purchase. If you are financing, be sure the surveyor is approved by the lender.

Amenities,style and layout are variables specific to each user,stick to your guns on your chosen boat.

Karl in NY 09-13-2017 01:17 AM

Re: Hudson River: the 5th most polluted river in US...both chemically and with fecal contamination. Don't swim in it or eat any fish, except species there only briefly to spawn, like stripers. After heavy rains, the river is basically an open sewer, and PCBs remains a constant chemical pollutant, despite billions of dollars of dredging.

If you fish (catch/release) always have hand sanitizer on board, unless you want an e.coli infection.

aczaplicki 09-13-2017 06:56 AM

I agree with the above. The Hudson is filthy. Please donít attempt any water sports in the water and do not eat the fish you catch! Iíve been boating the Raritan/Sandy Hook Bay my whole life and every trip into the Hudson disgusted me.

LouC 09-13-2017 09:22 AM

If you wind up going for this boat, just make sure that Volvo Penta service is easily available in your area. I would suspect that it is, but its good to check. I did not know that the Hudson was that bad. Sounds worse than LI Sound actually.

If you're thinking of towing this boat all the way to Lake George, you will need a tandem axle trailer, with a pair of 5200 lb capacity axles and 12" disc brakes on both. Your tow vehicle will have to be up to the task. It is not something to be taken lightly. A 1500 series pick up will be just about maxed out with this boat. If you've never towed anything before, practice practice and practice some more. I would not want to trailer this boat on a regular basis I'd be looking to keep it at a marina or on a mooring with a water taxi service to get to it and back.

While all these boats look good for their age, I still think, you might be better off with something a lot newer, even if its smaller for the same money. The problem with I/O power trains is that they are really very maintenance intensive. If the maintenance is not done, and if certain repairs are not done in a timely manner it can really cost you. Even something simple like leaky riser gaskets can come back and really bite you because it can cause expensive damage, because someone ignored the rust stains at the riser/manifold joint and did not spend the $$ to replace them. Not an expensive job either. The same applies to maintenance on the drive unit. If the are serviced on schedule they can be quite reliable, mine has not needed to go to a mechanic for over 10 seasons after a few seals were done back in 2004, but that is because I have done all the maintenance every year.

Diosces 09-14-2017 09:05 AM

Thanks LouC! The information/advise appreciated.


Yes the whole Lake George trip is looking pretty intensive for a first time boat owner.
I might hold off on the whole trailering until I get a year or two experience on a boat.
I planning on either Hoboken Shipyard or Lincoln Harbor marina. Slips are available at either for remainder of the season


The broker sent me a hefty sample of maintenance documents for the past three years, and there's the older history ill look at when we have it surveyed next week.
Riser: The owner had marina replace risers in 2015, and a boating friend indicated to get them every three to 4 years.
Work was also done on the lower unit recently and boat was properly winterized and dry docked annually.


Our offer is with the owner now, with a tentative survey scheduled for next week


In regards to the Hudson, I disagree with the comments regarding the quality of the water. I've lived on the Hudson almost 55 years, a majority less than 1/8 mile away. I also hike extensively along Hudson in NJ and NY in palisade park system which go along water. Hudson was bad at one time but it's much improved now.
Riverkeeper org does an excellent job of taking EPA style testing data for water quality https://www.riverkeeper.org/water-quality/hudson-river/.
Most areas of the Hudson estuary meet EPA beach standards for swimming, the areas of concern are some of the tributaries where townships haven't properly upgraded their water treatment facilities. Obviously with heavy rain or weather need to monitor the updated reports ..

Wingnutt 09-14-2017 09:48 AM

Would this work?

http://www.classicparker.com/phpBB3/...p?f=14&t=17814


Karl in NY 09-14-2017 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by Diosces (Post 10669246)
In regards to the Hudson, I disagree with the comments regarding the quality of the water...

Well at least in the Albany area, all major cities have combined sanitary/storm sewers which overload the sewage plants with anything more than an inch of rain...what us locals call stocking the Hudson with "brown trout"...I had waterfront property there for years and at low-tide, my beach was covered with used condoms, tampons, and just plain feces. If you want to swim in that sewer, be my guest. The whole PCB remediation project was a total failure...all fish except migratory ones are not safe to eat. Thanks, General Electric.

Between chemical and fecal contamination, the Hudson is considered one of the filthiest rivers in the US. Glad I sold the house, and now own land on Lake Champlain.

Diosces 09-14-2017 11:11 AM

Yes Karl gotcha, Riverkeeper , DEC and several other environmental groups flag Albany and several other Hudson valley areas as perpetual no swim zones.
Mostly based on locality in regards to water quality. Kill make sure to thoroughly vet my sources and proceed with caution. I have several associates with knowledge on environmental issues I don't fish the hudson, but if we do it would be catch and release.

Back on topic, seller accepted our offer.
I'm scheduling the survey now..

Karl in NY 09-14-2017 12:12 PM

Nice to hear your (lowball?) offer was accepted...
Survey may even knock-down purchase price further, depending on results.

Re: Hudson River, besides water quality, I've never walked the shoreline without acquiring an infective tick-bite, despite repellants. The river is beautiful, but is like a gorgeous woman with HIV...feel lucky?

Formula413 09-14-2017 02:24 PM

Trailering your own boat to lake George is worth it. Spend the few extra bucks and launch at Norowal marina in Bolton landing. They help you on and off the trailer you just need to back it in, hit the brakes and slide it off they tie it up then escort you to a parking spot and shuttle you back to the dock in a side by side. Cant beat it the place is a well oiled machine,get the zebra muscle inspection/wash right there and lake pass as well along with everything else you need. Furthermore your 10 miles north of the village madness at norowal and in the middle of the most beautiful part of the lake.

C3D 09-14-2017 03:14 PM

Congrats on the offer and good luck closing - I hope to see you on the water.

But don't believe what Riverkeeper et al say about the Hudson River. It's filthy today. Just last week I saw at least 3 or 4 diaperfish at Chelsea Piers.


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