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Old 09-12-2017, 05:27 AM
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I am willing to bet quite a bit, a large majority of landings go unreported and furthermore many out there fishing don't have permits to begin with.

a full 2018 closure, while it royally suck in all ways (and I'm not for it) would make it very easy to ID and punish those to the fullest extent who are out there tuna fishing on 'ignorance'

Edit - I am strictly speaking on the rec side.
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Old 09-12-2017, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
I am willing to bet quite a bit, a large majority of landings go unreported and furthermore many out there fishing don't have permits to begin with.

a full 2018 closure, while it royally suck in all ways (and I'm not for it) would make it very easy to ID and punish those to the fullest extent who are out there tuna fishing on 'ignorance'

Edit - I am strictly speaking on the rec side.
It goes without saying it's on the rec side because 1.You have to supply your nmfs permit and in my case Mass Boat permit to the buyer.2. You'll be getting a call/letter when your forwarded paperwork from fish buyers to NMFS isn't supported by your landing report.Comm Guys not reporting are only screwing themselves out of permits in the future ,so no incentive to not report.
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Old 09-12-2017, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by mud turtle View Post
All I am concerned about is commercial. Recreational trophy is already closed for this season and will not reopen this year. Moody is speaking about the trophy class for recs being closed all year next year not small and mediums. Rumors were that they were considering closing the entire recreational tuna fishing this season, as well but I don't know why they would do that.
I interpreted it as ALL rec fishing..
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Old 09-12-2017, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by cdux View Post
All hms landings rec or comm are to be reported:

https://hmspermits.noaa.gov/catchReports
Couldn't have said it any better than Hanson does below..
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Old 09-12-2017, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by sammythetuna View Post
So commercial shuts down and rec/charter boats can fish ?

I know it's impossible to track landings for rec fisherman but there must be a better way to do this..
Yup it's too bad that a large portion of the fishermen refuse/forget to report their catch. I think the only way to 'track' it better is if they issued a tag system like they do in Florida for tarpon, but that's in no way foolproof.
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:15 AM
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On the water enforcement would go a ways, on the comm side as well.
I see plenty of small boats fishing beyond the boundary line (boon to Thatcher in my area) w/o a solas-a raft visible and I'd assume missing other gear. Maybe needing to prove the docks side inspection before the getting issued a gen-cat permit would help somewhat, but still need to catch them with a comm fish on the deck east of the line.
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:26 AM
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On the water enforcement would go a ways, on the comm side as well.
I see plenty of small boats fishing beyond the boundary line (boon to Thatcher in my area) w/o a solas-a raft visible and I'd assume missing other gear. Maybe needing prove the docks side inspection before the getting issued a gen-cat permit would help somewhat, but still need to catch them with a comm fish on the deck east of the line.
Out of curiosity, if they were caught without a solas-a raft, what would their penalty be most likely?
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:42 AM
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They would have their trip terminated and have to return to port- most likely without a fine.
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Old 09-12-2017, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Sittin' Low View Post
They would have their trip terminated and have to return to port- most likely without a fine.
How about for landing rec fish with no rec permit. I know people that go out without permits. Bad bad idea but I know it happens. Seems like the same category of fisherman
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Old 09-12-2017, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by hanson View Post
It goes without saying it's on the rec side because 1.You have to supply your nmfs permit and in my case Mass Boat permit to the buyer.2. You'll be getting a call/letter when your forwarded paperwork from fish buyers to NMFS isn't supported by your landing report.Comm Guys not reporting are only screwing themselves out of permits in the future ,so no incentive to not report.
you're missing the point
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This is from Chubby Fish's f/b page
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Old 09-12-2017, 12:07 PM
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This is from Chubby Fish's f/b page
Thats who I sell my fish to they know their stuff...
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Old 09-12-2017, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
you're missing the point
I get your's fine,trying to drive home a related one.A lot of the recs I see out there have no skin in the game ,no regard for the resource and most importantly,disregard for sustainability.
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Originally Posted by hanson View Post
I get your's fine,trying to drive home a related one.A lot of the recs I see out there have no skin in the game ,no regard for the resource and most importantly,disregard for sustainability.
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hanson View Post
I get your's fine,trying to drive home a related one.A lot of the recs I see out there have no skin in the game ,no regard for the resource and most importantly,disregard for sustainability.
i completely disagree.

we all have some sort of 'skin' in the game. does mine mean no paycheck this week? no, but to say we have no regard for the resource and sustainably is BS and you know it.

are there some recs who dont give a F? sure, just as there are some comm guys who equally dont give a F.
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
i completely disagree.

we all have some sort of 'skin' in the game. does mine mean no paycheck this week? no, but to say we have no regard for the resource and sustainably is BS and you know it.

are there some recs who dont give a F? sure, just as there are some comm guys who equally dont give a F.
Maybe my bad,I'm implying there are some recs , that don't report,take a lot of small fish,illegally sell fish etc..............
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If they close rec fishing next year I'll get a Commercial or General Category permit. I may not outfit my boat with equipment that first year or go out for tuna, but I'll take this as a sign that things are going to tighten up and get my name on the commercial list.
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Old 09-13-2017, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by hanson View Post
I'm implying there are some recs , that don't report,take a lot of small fish,illegally sell fish etc..............
without a doubt, 100% accurate.

and that is the crux of issue of figuring out how many tons are being taken out of the ocean with no record.

There HAS to be a better way to report. I've said it for a long time, an app is needed. it can be done the moment you hit the dock. enter the info and hit submit. done, simple EZPZ.

now you have to go online at home after a long day, go on your computer (i dont even have a PC) go the website and enter the info, or you need to call it in. just extra steps (while minor) that guys don't want to take, or forget to do when your wife and kids are all over you for stuff to do when you get home. do this, do that, take me outside to play, take a shower, stow the gear, mow the lawn, yada yada, and reporting your catching has long passed your memory of things you MUST do.

i'm not an IT guy, nor am I NOAA or NMFS but they have to have the resources to make that happen. in today's society and with technology we have there is no excuse to not have an app.
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Old 09-13-2017, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
without a doubt, 100% accurate.

and that is the crux of issue of figuring out how many tons are being taken out of the ocean with no record.

There HAS to be a better way to report. I've said it for a long time, an app is needed. it can be done the moment you hit the dock. enter the info and hit submit. done, simple EZPZ.

now you have to go online at home after a long day, go on your computer (i dont even have a PC) go the website and enter the info, or you need to call it in. just extra steps (while minor) that guys don't want to take, or forget to do when your wife and kids are all over you for stuff to do when you get home. do this, do that, take me outside to play, take a shower, stow the gear, mow the lawn, yada yada, and reporting your catching has long passed your memory of things you MUST do.

i'm not an IT guy, nor am I NOAA or NMFS but they have to have the resources to make that happen. in today's society and with technology we have there is no excuse to not have an app.
NOAA has an app for catch reporting from an iPhone (maybe other platforms). Just used it, works great and way easier than their online form or calling.
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Old 09-13-2017, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Legal Bill View Post
If they close rec fishing next year I'll get a Commercial or General Category permit. I may not outfit my boat with equipment that first year or go out for tuna, but I'll take this as a sign that things are going to tighten up and get my name on the commercial list.
I think it's headed that way in order to enforce compliance myself.
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