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Old 02-21-2016, 06:29 AM
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Over the past few years I have had to have multiple surgeries on my shoulder and hands. The older penn international are starting to take a toll on me when we are out for a full day. I am looking to move down to some lighter gear and possible some of the graphite options. I have a few TLD 25s and love them so my first instinct was to go with the TLD 30 2 speeds. After doing some research I started leaning towards the Squall 30VSW due to the increase line capacity. Any body have experience with both reels that they can compare. Also does anyone use the graphite reels for sharking? Somewhat nervous about getting into a 150lb mako on a graphite. The reels would be used for about 10-15 canyon trips and 1-2 sharking trips a year out of NJ.

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I had somewhat the same question that you had. I wanted to add to my spread of Internationals and was thinking of purchasing the Squalls, more for a dedicated chunking outfits. I asked the question to Charkbait in California, between the Squall and the Fathom here is there answer I received.

"With no question go for the Fathom 2 speed!!! Great reels, well made, and with two gears far more versatile for you. Better metal construction as well. The line used will be based upon which reel. I'd opt for 60# braid on the 40 with a topshot of 40-50# leader. Bump that up to 80 on the 60 with 60 on top for the larger reel. The size of the 40 lends itself far better for doing some casting or jigging."

On my friends boat he uses Shimano reels including the TLD 30 2 speeds I have never seen any problems with the reels, but he only uses them for trolling offshore. No shark fishing. I haven't purchase the Fathoms so I don't know how they will hold up. I am still using the Internationals.
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I'd be nervous hooking a 150lb mako on a graphite reel, that being said how bummed would you be if you lost a 600lb mako due to gear failure? The Fathom sounds like a good reel, I've had a TLD 30 2 speed smoked by a bluefin, the graphite reels are just not made to handle heavy drags.
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Thanks for the responses. That is basically my concern. Not necessarily that we will get smoked by a big fish but that if we are only taking a few trips a year I do not want to have a trip ruined by gear failure on a hook up.
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Graphite reel will do fine. Another option is the Tyrnos by Shimano. For years now Ive used the 20s 30s 50s and caught plenty of large fish on all the 3 aforementioned sizes. Tip is to change out the o ring no the pre set knob to a slightly thicker one...any shop carrying the Tyrnos should know this and be able to assist you.
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Originally Posted by dingoatemebaby View Post
I'd be nervous hooking a 150lb mako on a graphite reel, that being said how bummed would you be if you lost a 600lb mako due to gear failure? The Fathom sounds like a good reel, I've had a TLD 30 2 speed smoked by a bluefin, the graphite reels are just not made to handle heavy drags.
What do you mean when you say smoked? How big of a bluefin?
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No problem landing a 150 mako on tld 25. Done it. Even got a 250 thresher to the boat but lost it at the boat. But a 600 mako? Probably not, but I have no desire to land a 600 anyway 😱
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I use the squall 30vsw's for sharking and they do great...super smooth. They are small enough to still have fun fighting our typical 100-175lb blue dogs but have plenty of drag and capacity to handle much larger fish. I haven't had a graphite reel explode like some say they do but from my understanding these reels have come a long way in terms of strength (design) since the days when we heard the horror stories of exploding TLD's.
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We have used the Squalls for sharking going on 3 years now. We have a few of the single speed Squalls (sql60ld) and they have taken down makos and threshers up to about 140lbs. The two speeds are a much better match for sharking though.

I prefer the Squall to the TLD. I have one TLD 25 left that im replacing this year.
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I think you really need to look at the weights of the reels that you are considering.
-A Squall 30VSW is 47 oz and closer to the size of a 50....so you're not getting much weight savings for your body.
-A TLD30 is 37 oz and has graphite frame
-A Fathom 60 is 27 oz and has a metal frame

So between those three reels that you are considering there is a 20 oz range! I would pay close attention to the weights and line capacities of the reels that you are considering before purchasing. Another options are the Avet EX30s (close in weight to Squall) or HX (closer to fathom).
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Could solve all your problems with swivel rod holders.
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the TLD 50 is a great chunking reel. Has the drag of a 50 which is very important for bigger fish and the graphite from cuts down on the weight which is nice chunking for added mobility. I hear the issues with the graphite frame is once you get over 20 pounds of drag clipped into a harness. Chunking you do not want to be in a harness and with light leader your drag pressure will be lower. a graphite 30 has no place in the canyon I feel
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I am a big believer in the TLD's. We have a 25' sea vee and a 39' topaz we canyon fish pretty regularly with. We used to have all internationals for our 30's and 50's, but after we bought our first tld's 10 years ago we have since sold all the international 30's and 50's and replaced them with tld's. They are inexpensive we have great luck with them.

I use 30 tld's with braid backing on my sea vee a lot. Mostly I am fishing on the flats for yellowfin and albies (along with mahi wahoo and white marlin) up to 100 lbs. Last year I did some canyon chunking with them and got some bigger yellowfin up to 80 lbs on them and was never concerned.

On the topaz where we canyon fish more we have the TLD 50's and have caught bluefin and bigeye over 200 lbs with them and never had any issues. I feel perfectly comfortable canyon fishing with the 50 tlds.

All the fish in these pictures were caught on a TLD 30 or 50.
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We have used the TLD 50's and 30's for 10+ years both sharking and canyon tuna fishing. We have landed both makos and threshers over 300lbs on the 50's with out an issue. Also plenty of tuna and marlin as well. they are great reels. I don't have any experience with the other reels mentioned.
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We have 2 squall 50s and they do just fine. Super smooth and sturdy feeling for a graphite reel. I've caught plenty of sharks with them
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Originally Posted by Josh B View Post
a graphite 30 has no place in the canyon I feel
I disagree. I have a couple okuma graphite frames. A Titus 30 and a solterra 50. I'm not a huge fan of either but have never had an issue and have handled a variety of sharks to 200lbs.

I too have the squall vs tld debate with myself often. When I think upgrade out of the okumas

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