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Old 02-13-2016, 12:25 PM
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If they were not notorious for routinely abusing the regulations they would have a better argument. Do you think a guy that acts like that gives a damn about regulations when he could otherwise benefit? The whole system is badly broken and many parties did a great job of breaking it.[/quote]

First of all, the regulations are stupid. Second , the establishment can't even figure out what the regulations are. 3rd. any single fishermen should not have to pay for whatever you claim some other fishermen did in the past. Forth , the regulations are stupid. I agree, the whole system is broken and lastly.. the regulations are stupid.
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Old 02-13-2016, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by lobstercatcher View Post
First of all, the regulations are stupid. Second , the establishment can't even figure out what the regulations are. 3rd. any single fishermen should not have to pay for whatever you claim some other fishermen did in the past. Forth , the regulations are stupid. I agree, the whole system is broken and lastly.. the regulations are stupid.
If there were no regulations, there would be no fish.....
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None of that gives him the right to be a dick. So sick of some of these commercial guys thinking the ocean is theirs and crying about regulations. Just gets old after a while and looses its luster.
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Old 02-13-2016, 01:02 PM
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If there were no regulations, there would be no fish.....
Well actually... there were more fish caught before 1976 than there are now with all these regulations// Forty years of proof the regulations were stupid and had nothing to do with saving any resource. It was about removing a fleet off the ocean.. Many were able to earn a living and support a huge infrastructure in the local economies. Recreational is next if you haven't noticed.
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Old 02-13-2016, 02:19 PM
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That makes sense since the Magnuson act was enacted in 1976. Georges Bank Is a great example of how bad things can get. With today's technology in the fleet and even on recreation vessels, the fisheries wouldn't stand a chance if they weren't regulated.
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Old 02-13-2016, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ropeyarn Sundays View Post
That makes sense since the Magnuson act was enacted in 1976. Georges Bank Is a great example of how bad things can get. With today's technology in the fleet and even on recreation vessels, the fisheries wouldn't stand a chance if they weren't regulated.
Wouldn't stand a chance to do what? Being dictated out of fishing is different than getting out on your own free will. The resource has not improved thru regulations that did nothing but destroy a industry and its infrastructure. What is the intended goal of these regulations ????
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I love that guy! reminds me of the jerky boys
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Old 02-13-2016, 03:33 PM
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A chance at sustaining current stock levels or ever improving them. Of course there is always a better way to do things, but no regulation isn't the answer to sustaining the industry or recreational stocks for future generations.
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Old 02-13-2016, 03:41 PM
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Nobody knows what current levels are. Nobody knows what they were and nobody knows what a satisfactory level is or even a level to be achieved that would be considered.. Hey we reached our goal

Which means ,, there is no point to any of the regulations in which they could be used to "save" the resource that never needed to be saved in the first place
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Old 02-13-2016, 04:08 PM
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Precisely. Hopefully it is better, but it could be worse. I'm not a scientist or marine biologist, but wasn't Atlantic halibut a big fishery that dried up before any regulations?
Both commercial and recreational fisheries are very important to us all and I wish the Captain that lost it on 16, you and yours prosperous and safe futures.
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Originally Posted by Ropeyarn Sundays View Post
A chance at sustaining current stock levels or ever improving them. Of course there is always a better way to do things, but no regulation isn't the answer to sustaining the industry or recreational stocks for future generations.
x2, but that makes too much sense to be of any benefit for making a logical point with this guy. Look at this members other posts anywhere on the board. This has been going on for years.... They all contain an underlying element of illogic, don't waste your time or effort IMHO
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Originally Posted by JStab View Post
read the comments in the video. i guess this was like 2 years ago. within 48 hours the same CG cutter issued the same violation to a lot of boats. Then the CG Skipper came out and admitted they were wrong. Also I guess they were on channel 22 prior to the recording and the CG kept accusing the captain and he got mad so he went to 16 so everyone could hear.

End of the day, captain was right and frustrated.
FWIW- A quote from same Capt.Tommy Testaverde in this article seems to contradict the claim he was not in the closed area (unintentionally.)
http://www.wbur.org/2016/02/02/cashe...g-conservation

But quite possibly he was misquoted or it refers to different incident.
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Old 02-14-2016, 06:21 AM
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Last fall, Tommy Testaverde, captain of the fishing vessel “Midnight Sun” in Gloucester, gave a group of Nigerian commercial fishermen a tour of his boat. They looked at his screens and radars as he told them about a closed area that’s marked on his map.
“Why don’t you go in there?” one of them asked.
“You lose your house, your first born, your second born,” Testaverde replied, as they all laughed.
Testaverde’s boat “The Midnight Sun” rests at dock. (Courtesy Testaverde via Facebook)

Testaverde said he once entered a closed area, years ago by mistake. A Coast Guard cutter came steaming up to his boat, and he got off with a warning.
“The biggest fear of most of us fishermen around here is to make an honest mistake. And that was an honest mistake,” he said. “And it’s a big fear, because they want everything you have after. They want to put you out of business. That’s my belief.”
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Originally Posted by JStab View Post
read the comments in the video. i guess this was like 2 years ago. within 48 hours the same CG cutter issued the same violation to a lot of boats. Then the CG Skipper came out and admitted they were wrong. Also I guess they were on channel 22 prior to the recording and the CG kept accusing the captain and he got mad so he went to 16 so everyone could hear.

End of the day, captain was right and frustrated.
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It's unfortunate that the only thing that people will hear is Tommy Jr going off on Channel 16 but what nobody will hear is what was going on before this on channel 22 which is what set Tommy off and caused him to want everyone to hear what they were doing to him. That's why he hailed them on 16, but he was already pushed over the edge. This was several years ago and I know of at least a half dozen trawlers that were accused or issued violations in the same 48 hour period by the same CG cutter.. Mine was one of them. The Coast Guard's locating equipment was off by miles. They later acknowledged that and commander Peter Decola (one of many first class people in the CG) set things straight. I believe young Tom got things squared away with the Coast Guard as well and everyone learned a valuable lesson. Tommy knows the value of the Coast guard as we all do, but we also know the total BS they can impose on innocent hardworking fishermen. As if things aren't hard enough out there already. Anybody that earns a living out there knows of plenty of examples where total unfairness has been imposed on them or they scared the shit out of you in the middle of the night with secret boardings...........but we all also know times when they are the most important asset to saving lives and vessels. Tommy is the first to admit that too. In this case the coast guard was totally wrong and would not listen to reason which is what caused Tommy to blow a gasket that I'm sure he wishes never happened in the first place. So you non fishing people know............being accused of fishing inside a closed area is the most serious type of violation. Loss of license and total business failure can be the result. In the NE NOBODY every dares do that. It's like receiving a phone call from the police that THEY WATCHED YOU committing the most serious crime imaginable and not being given the opportunity to show them they are mistaken before they arrest you. I'm not condoning Tommy's rant here but it's not fair to judge him without knowing just how bad this situation was and how unreasonable the CG was on the other channel before Tommy lost his shit.


Law enforcement is allowed and even trained to to lie, swear, and yell at people as part of their job. CG isn't acting in a search and rescue capacity here, they are law enforcement harassing a captain and threatening him with a violation he did not commit. I absolutely respect his right to give them hell.
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Old 02-14-2016, 08:04 AM
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Isn't VMS required to be active during each trip? Should be easy enough to dispute.
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I think this is the original link http://fisherynation.com/archives/43495
Some very interesting comments from other commercials follow.
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Originally Posted by dell30rb View Post
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Law enforcement is allowed and even trained to to lie, swear, and yell at people as part of their job. CG isn't acting in a search and rescue capacity here, they are law enforcement harassing a captain and threatening him with a violation he did not commit. I absolutely respect his right to give them hell.
How do you quantify this comment? it sounds like the CG made a mistake, realized it, and ate a big piece of humble pie and admitted their mistake. I have been on the water for over 30 years and have never had the CG treat me with anything but respect. Have they fined me? Yup, because of my mistake. I would have preferred a warning but that is not how the cards fell. The same goes with conventional Law Enforcement. The proper forum "to give them hell" is in court or a call to the appropriate office at the CG . Call off and photograph your GPS numbers to document your location, In short prove you are right and be a professional. If you accomplish this you will not loose and you maintain your respect in the fleet, both with the CG and the other captains. Your attitude does nothing but perpetuate the infantile behavior of the idiots on the radio
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Originally Posted by codman View Post
I think this is the original link http://fisherynation.com/archives/43495
Some very interesting comments from other commercials follow.
The captain actually appears to have explained this incident to its conclusion in the comments that follow the recording. It would appear the coast guard was in error. No excuse for the rant on ch 16 IMHO

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Originally Posted by lobstercatcher View Post
Nobody knows what current levels are. Nobody knows what they were and nobody knows what a satisfactory level is or even a level to be achieved that would be considered.. Hey we reached our goal

Which means ,, there is no point to any of the regulations in which they could be used to "save" the resource that never needed to be saved in the first place
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x2, but that makes too much sense to be of any benefit for making a logical point with this guy. Look at this members other posts anywhere on the board. This has been going on for years.... They all contain an underlying element of illogic, don't waste your time or effort IMHO
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The straw that breaks the camels back was only a straw
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The captain actually appears to have explained this incident to its conclusion in the comments that follow the recording. It would appear the coast guard was in error. No excuse for the rant on ch 16 IMHO
I don't see your logic
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Dat Cap'n was a f**kin retaaad ...



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