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Old 03-17-2013, 06:12 PM   #1
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Default Need advice on first boat (Falmouth, MA)

Hi all, 1st time posting so be gentle if I break any rules please!

I am buying my first boat with about $8000 of my own, $5000 in graduation gift money for a total of $13,000 at the absolute most (I would like to stay closer to $10k).

This boat will serve the sole purpose of a fishing vessel, and I don't need it to be pretty. It will be 100% trailered boat, live in a storage unit, and come out to play on weekends in the Falmouth area. The option of going to MV would be cool, but it is in no way a must.

Initially I was just gunna get a simple ladybuboat (18-22ft Brockway flat bottomed skiff) with a new 30hp outboard. My Dad took one look at it said "That doesn't look safe" and essentially wants me to get a $65k boat for the price of $13K.

I have been searching endlessly for awhile and am now turning to you guys.

Is a flat bottomed skiff not a smart idea for fishing off southern facing Falmouth/Buzzards Bay/Canal type area? How big of a boat do i really need? Is it necessary to have a 24' deep v hull with a gas-guzzling 200+hp outboard?

All i want is a safe boat I can go out on without fearing typical wave conditions for that area.

Help please!!!!

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Old 03-17-2013, 06:53 PM   #2
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Go to some boat dealers and look at some of their used boats. Find something that fits your budget, needs and most of all, find something you like. Listen to the advice you get here as well. Not all 24' boats are gas guzzlers. Keep your options open. Go on as many sea trials as you can. Make sure there is enough room on the boat for your gear and make sure you like the way she handles. Good luck! You will love it!
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:29 PM   #3
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I think to help narrow down your search you need to know how you would rank the following: size, looks, age, and condition of both the boat and the engine. Also what is your towing situation? That may put a cap on the size of the boat you can tow safely. Think of the factors then start to search craigslist, dealers, local boatyards.

If you cruise craigslist you should be able to find 17-22 ft center consoles in your price range. Also used boats at local dealerships will fall into your range here and there.
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:35 PM   #4
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In order: condition of the engine, condition of the hull, size, age, looks.

I have a 2011 Tacoma TRD so towing isn't a real concern. I have scoured all the sites - every marina site in eastern MA, craigslist, etc. My real fear is buying a used outboard - I'm terrified of buying a lemon. I find plenty of things that could be good - but it ranges from an 18ft Montauk with an old 130hp for $11k to a 24 Grady White that needs a new I/O; there are tons of options so I'm just trying to find out what i need specifically.

Side note - could an 1983 18 Montauk fit my needs, or would that thing get beat to hell in the surf?
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:38 PM   #5
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Dumb mistake - Outrage 18, sorry
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:20 PM   #6
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Those skiffs are very nice. My father ran something similar out of Woods Hole for several years. They are very stable and great for clamming, fishing in calmer seas and they are efficient and require very little power.

That said, a flat bottomed skiff would not be my choice for those waters. Buzzards Bay chop is legendary. Not that the skiff couldn't get to MV (it could on a good day), but you have an awful lot of good fishing waters out of Falmouth and I think you'd be somewhat more limited given typical wind and waves.

Would this be your first boat? New is always nice, but your budget, say $10k, can go a long way for a used cc and give you some valuable time on the water. We have an older 17 Whaler Outrage which I think is perfect for those waters. An older mako, aquasport or similar hull would also, I think, well-suit your needs. You definitely don't need a 24 foot deep v or 200hp for those waters.

Try getting out on the water as much as you can before making a choice. There are a lot of fisherman that cover those waters and I'm sure they will chime-in with some good thoughts.

Best of luck!
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Funny timing - just saw your follow-up reference to an 18 Outrage. There are actually two different model 18 foot Outrages. I forget which year the model changed (longer, beamier and, I think, bigger gas capacity), but either would potentially be a great option for you to consider. Four strokes are great, but older 2 strokes can be fine and much easier to service - just get anything checked-out.

I have a Grady as well. Also great boats, but I wouldn't want to consider an older I/O for your expected use - let alone one you know needs replacing.

Best of luck and have fun looking!
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An 18 ft outrage is a solid boat. I cannot comment directly on your area but I would take it on the ocean (not far out but out) on calm days with good forecasts.

If your engine is the biggest concern (which I agree with by the way) look for boats that have been re-powered. Have a mechanic check an engine out for you before you purchase, and have the seller take you out on the water so you can tell how the engine performs and how the boat feels when it's floating.

Hulls are easier to tell if they are in good condition, but things like engines, and electrical can be a little more tricky so don't be afraid to bring someone with you to help look them over.
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:31 AM   #9
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check out Key Largo boats they are bone stock and you can get a newer one for not alot of money
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:36 AM   #10
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http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2005.../United-States
I dont know how far you are willing to travel i almost bought one but the hydrasports came up a better deal
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:21 AM   #11
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Just my opinion having grown up fishing all my life and having both flat bottom and deep v hulls growing up, If I were you, fishing in this area consider a deep v hull over a flat bottom hull. I think something like an older 20 seacraft would be in your price range and would be a very safe and easy to trailer boat for this area. Your going to want to be where the bass are and drifting through fast moving rips your going to want to be in a deep v hull. A cape codder is also very inexpensive, easy to trailer, and a very good solid fishing boat.

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Old 03-18-2013, 06:01 AM   #12
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I think the 18 outrage is an ideal boat for the area & what you want to use it for. No It is not a Deep-V and it won't handle a heading SW 2-3' chop in the Sound or Bay as well as a Sea Craft or Grady, but it is a much drier hull all around and won't throw nearly as much water/spray in your face going into it. In a beam sea or following sea she'll ride like an absolute champ and outperform your expectations, and if you ever get stuck in conditions you don't want to be in, you'll be glad you're in a whaler.

I grew up on a 17 Montauk and I fished around the vineyard all the time in it on the right days. The older whalers were built to last and are very SAFE

You might not be considering it now, but you'll feel good knowing that your investment in an older whaler will retain its value as the market demand for these hulls remains very strong. Not many boats can say the same. All things to consider

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Old 03-18-2013, 06:03 AM   #13
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http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...sole-101915948

This is the best deal you'll find in your price range....
I have the 2007 and this hull feels like a 23' with great bow flair and free board.
The amenities and layout are awesome, especially the 48 gallon live well, fresh water, raw water, and self bailing cock pit.

Get someone to survey it and go from there.
Any questions let me know.
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Old 03-18-2013, 06:11 AM   #14
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Good advice above....

I grew up on a Aquasport 19.6 and spent 3 days a week every summer for decades fishing and boating in this area. The key is becoming very good at weather prediction. The SW wind picks up most days and makes it uncomfortable. So get out early, head SW and come home with the waves at your back.... You can get around on small boats in the area, just be smart about the weather.

A V type boat is certainly more comfortable but burns more gas. Flat bottom boats are better on fuel economy but do not handle chop nearly as well. Unfortunately boats are all about compromises no matter what size or budget.

When I got older and had more money, I went with the Deep V style boat (Regulator... I know, not in the price range...just for illustration purpose only)to maximize the time I could spend out there. You will get more days when the weather will let you get out with a Deeper V.... but it does cost more to operate. Whalers are great. They are very solid and have great re-sale value. But they will beat you up more and will limit your available weather windows slightly. But being young and flexable, that may not be as big an issue for you... again, trade offs.

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My first ocean boat was an 18' Cobia CC. it was very versatile, seaworthy and cheap to run. I did all the maintenance and ran it frequently for 6 seasons. Today they classify the same hull as the 19' but it pretty much the same style vee hull. I sold it for nearly what I paid for it. For something to start off in, it can't be beat. Whatever you decide to buy just make sure everything works and has the original wiring/ controls etc. The more you look at the better. Good luck. Just an fyi, I would not want to trailer something more than 20' with a Tacoma.
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twalsh...trust me find a cape codder. It will blow away a whaler. Cheap to operate and will give you more freeboard and deadrise which is what you need if you want to fish around the islands. Your dad will be happy. Commercial bass fisherman have used them for years in chatham and they are very solid boats. They are an excellent first boat.
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Wow thank you guys for all the responses; it's way more than I expected and it's much appreciated. So flat bottomed is out of the question, so are boats over 20ft for towing purposes - this is the good stuff i was looking for.

I have an 18 Outrage I'm looking at for around $11k so hopefully that will check out. In the meantime, I looked up Cape Codder boats which evidently are out of service; a preliminary search brought up nothing in terms of available used boats, but a short craigslist ad saying new ones are currently being produced. Any ideas on this?

I appreciate everything so far guys, keep it coming - all opinions are helpful!
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Wow thank you guys for all the responses; it's way more than I expected and it's much appreciated. So flat bottomed is out of the question, so are boats over 20ft for towing purposes - this is the good stuff i was looking for.

I have an 18 Outrage I'm looking at for around $11k so hopefully that will check out. In the meantime, I looked up Cape Codder boats which evidently are out of service; a preliminary search brought up nothing in terms of available used boats, but a short craigslist ad saying new ones are currently being produced. Any ideas on this?

I appreciate everything so far guys, keep it coming - all opinions are helpful!
You can find 19' cape codders in the chatham area used. They are very easy to tow, and the phone booth keeps you out of the shit. Not to be confused the cape cod marine boats which are also very nice but much more expensive.
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To mrgonet - that boat is great but at $15k its just too much. plus no trailer thats more money, still gotta pay for registration, storage, etc etc
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I'd try and save a few more and take a road trip to California to buy this: http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sa...-seacraft.html
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