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Old 04-25-2009, 06:41 PM
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hi, been boating 20 plus years in bays/inlets/2 miles off beach.
just purchased 2008 striper [seaswirl] 23 ft walk around , single 225 ob.
wondering just how far offshore i dare venture.
assuming "good weather report", checking noaa etc
electronics are: garman gps,vhf radio, depth , compass
fuel 135 gallons,aprox burn rate @4000rpm is 3.2nmpg..better at lower rpm.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:16 PM
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Where do you do your fishing.
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Old 04-26-2009, 02:05 AM
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About as far as I would take that boat would be 25 miles south of Montauk on a really good day -
With a single screw it would be a mistake to leave tow boat/seatow range-
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:10 AM
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I like FINattic's take on this. I prefer to keep my single engine 20' boat inside the ~20mile mark no matter how good the weather. For TowBoat reasons and because at 30 mph I can get back in a reasonable amount of time if I need to.
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Old 04-26-2009, 06:00 AM
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It all depends upon the sea conditions. That is a fine boat, keep an eye on the weather and you can go 40-50 out if you wanted.
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What else do you have on that boat - epirb, type I vests - those would be the minimum I would want to go more than 10-15 miles out; anyone who suggests 40-50 miles in that rig in the NE without a epirb, raft, type I vests, radar backup vhf, backup GPS should be joking. Personally I don't go out that far (or further) without all of that plus survival suits, sea anchor, sat phone, sat weather, offshore flares and a seasoned crew.
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:04 PM
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thanks to all that replied
i will be getting an epirb, and looking at the reality of the ocean i will be more inclined to stay within
20 miles of shore line.
safe boating all.
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:20 PM
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you can go out as far as you want, can You get home is what you want to know.
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Old 04-26-2009, 06:21 PM
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There have been volumes written about what stuff to bring offshore. Ultimately if you have a buddy boat there you are far better off. That is the way these guys who really go the distance can stand it, they know a handful of guys out there to tap if needed.

Don't skimp on your vhf and antenna.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:42 PM
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I used to fish the canyons on a 23 regulator from long island (70+ miles). Ive also broken down 47 miles offshore on that same 23 regulator.

I still have no problem doing it. Just watch the weather and know what your doing!
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:06 AM
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What will you be targeting?

20 Miles will at best get you into some bluefin tuna, sharks and perhaps chicken mahi if the warm water comes up far enough on the shelf.
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Old 04-27-2009, 07:25 AM
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With all the safety gear (PLB, two GPS's, Radar, two VHF's, etc) I set a persoanl
limit of 30 miles from a safe port....

I have taken my Reg 23 over 200 miles from Cape Cod to Bar Harbor Maine once... So in addition to my "normal" stuff, I added a raft and a buddy boat (with twin deisels) who stayed within eye sight range for the whole trip. It was a great trip, but I don't think I will do it again.

After the safety gear, the next most important thing is weather forecasting experience. One source for the weather is nowhere near good enough. You need several sources and the ability to independently derive your own forecast from the data...

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Old 04-27-2009, 01:23 PM
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Good advice from others so far.

When I bought my 24' Albemarle in 2006 (as a 05 leftover). I had delusions of taking her 60-80 miles offshore. 30 is as far as i've gotten so far. After speaking to several captains more experienced than myself. Here are some thoughts (in random order):

A 23-25' boat just doesn't have the length to span big seas should they arise.
A single engine vessel is S.O.L. should that main propulsion fail.
autopilot and flow-scan are very beneficial in fuel consumption savings. It can be a big deal in a small boat with limited ( comparatively ) fuel capacity.
My Sea-tow captain told me he WOULD come 60 miles out to get me, but that's easy to say now..... on land.

I also fish the waters off Long Island NY (Jones Inlet specifically) and although the above has kept me from doing it. Below are some things that I would consider before venturing far offshore (also random order):

Weather report! find a week that is supposed to be great weather wise and go on the 2nd or 3rd day. Keeping an ear on the weather the entire day/trip.
Find a "sister ship" to make the trip offshore.... stay in touch visually/radio .safety in numbers.
File a float plan with someone back on shore, so they know to contact authorities should you not return ( I know an EPIRP will do this)
Electronics (in addition to autopilot & flow-scan): primary GPS, VHF with handheld back-up for both. RADAR, depth sounder module. 406 EPIRB w/ built in GPS.
Avon, Revere, etc.... OFFSHORE life raft. Ditch bag with gear (flares, water, food, VHF, mirrors, compass, etc). Enough Type 1 lifejackets for everyone on board (+2..... just my paranoia)
Satellite phone....... obvious. I don't own one, but I would gladly rent one for a offshore trip.
Snorkel, mask, fins and a tarp. to unwind a wrapped prop, or use tarp to cover hull damage...god forbid.
Tools, spare fuel filter.




When I asked this question a year ago, most of the responses were to charter a bigger boat with a experienced crew. I'm not saying it hasn't/can't be done, but i'd hate to be like those poor SOB's that died off Florida last month. I think I'm better prepared, but do I want to risk my life (and the lives of my crew) to catch some fish?????? It's a personal choice, but we all have to live with our decisions.

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I have the same boat and am very happy with it. Like you, most of my fishing is within 5 miles from shore. Keep in mind there is no such thing as a seaworthy boat, nothing is seaworthy, some boats are more seaworthy than others, but nothing "wins" when it attempts to beat the sea. If you wish to, on occasion, venture that far out, weather & sea conditions permitting, I think the sister ship, preferably larger than yours is as or more important as all the safety gear you wish to carry. Just by inquiring makes me feel you have good judgement and with that you should be just fine. Good luck & safe boating.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:32 AM
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My buddy has the same boat, (an '05 Striper with a 250 Etec) and we would do about 10-15 out on a good day, and fish the wrecks off of Fire Island Inlet. I would have to agree with LI32 and others about how much further to go, and the proper gear to bring. I'd stay within what ever seatow will bring you back from, since you only have 1 engine.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:44 PM
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I have the same exact setup as you but 06 model. I run out of Portsmouth and as almost everyone else has stated weather is always the biggest factor. I frequently fish Jeffreys and slightly further which is about a 25-30 mile run. Just gotta make sure you pick the right days. As Goin' Deep said all the safety equipment is a must.
Good Luck with the new boat
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Old 05-01-2009, 09:07 AM
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Remeber. being 30 miles off shore with a wind shift means you might be going back into head seas at 10 knots. 3+ hours of pounding and getting soaked and maybe caught in a squall is not fun or safe.

Check into the new lowcost satellite locators - sort of a cheap EPIRB - $100 or so w/ the discount. Cheap insurance if you're out of cell/VHF range (which you will be).

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Reminder: These are not EPIRBS - you have to set it up before hand to call someone who can report you missing and relay the coordinate the locator sends out - SPOT system
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considering iv seen a 17 montauk on the northwest corner, i think you'll be just fine.......
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considering iv seen a 17 montauk on the northwest corner, i think you'll be just fine.......
Just because stupidy got by once, doesn't mean I would tempt fate.

Several years back I went fishing 9 miles out in the fog - not pea soup, maybe 1/4 mi. and I get to the reef and in addition to a head boat, there are three guys in a 15' wooden skiff - since I didn't read baout them in the paper I guess they made it back too, although the fog stayed pretty much all day.
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I go out further than most on this board would recommend - but I am in warmer Florida waters..

For single engine boats I think the SPOT is a good investment - it is not an EPIRB - but it has great functionality for calling help outside of VHF range.

I can press one button and it sends my position via email to whoever I want - I try and press this whenever my position changes substantially.

I can press the "help" button and an email is sent to who ever I want, in this case it is Sea Tow and the wife. This is very useful for anything outside of VHF range, I would hate to have to call the coastguard when all I really need is a tow.

I can press the 911 button and the coastguard will be summoned - I know it works because I set it off by accident once.

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