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Old 01-12-2021, 06:45 PM
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Dave,
Do you know if that was submitted to the NY DEC request for comments on the circle hook issue? Here are the details:
The full text of the proposed regulation can be found at https://www.dec.ny.gov/regulations/106216.html. Comments on the proposed circle hook regulation should be sent to fw.marine@dec.ny.gov or by mail to: Division of Marine Resources, 205 N. Belle Mead Rd. Suite 1, East Setauket, NY 11733. The public comment period closes on March 8, 2021. After reviewing public comments, DEC will be adopting and publishing a final regulation.





Originally Posted by Relentless View Post
Please Please Read The Letter Below Regarding Circle Hooks

The ASMFC does indeed want to make it mandatory to use circle hooks when using pork rind and believe it or not when using tube and worm. Not sure how many of you have used tube and worm but betting quite a few and guessing with an 18" tube have never or hardly ever hooked a striped bass in the gut. The letter below is a collaborative effort between fishing and charter boat organizations from Maine to New Jersey. Please take a read and if submitting comments consider adding some of the facts mentioned in the letter.

Circle Hook Letter to ASMFC From Fishing and Charter Boat Organizations

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Old 01-13-2021, 07:02 AM
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I was an Avid Striper fisherman on the Merrimack river, and participated in a tagging program mostly trolling sea worms with J-hooks I don't remember any gut hooked schoolies. I left the area and have not fished them in 10years until last summer when I went on a charter using circle hooks and live Mac's my son caught 6 keepers I got 0. It was impossible for me to unlearn the hook set! I did use offset circles Tuna fishing with good success in that fishery
Old 01-13-2021, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 25WildBlue View Post
I had over 40 bass this fall; on jig heads with kettle creeks, sp minnows, swarters, ava's etc. Not 1 gut hook. Had a few close ones on the minnows, but I crush barbs on my double treble setups.

I get it, but I wonder where it stops. Next year trebles banned? I hate the over regulation of recreation while we sit there watching nets sweep the ocean clean.

A few years back, Rutgers posted a study on Fluke mortality related to hook size and determined 7/0 was optimal. I exclusively fished that this year and can say the number of short fluke I hooked in the eye was crazy.
The 7/0 was so large on those smaller fish, it completely missed the lip and blew out one of their eyes. I wonder how that played into their studies? I don't think everything is perfect, but I also don't believe this is going to "fix" or correct any populations.

If you ask me; ban trolling for striped bass. No one needs to have umbrella rigs out trolling through schools of fish, especially when the limit is generally 1.
I stopped using trebles a couple years ago...I've swapped out all the trebles on all my lures
Old 01-13-2021, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by casco_schooner View Post
I was an Avid Striper fisherman on the Merrimack river, and participated in a tagging program mostly trolling sea worms with J-hooks I don't remember any gut hooked schoolies. I left the area and have not fished them in 10years until last summer when I went on a charter using circle hooks and live Mac's my son caught 6 keepers I got 0. It was impossible for me to unlearn the hook set! I did use offset circles Tuna fishing with good success in that fishery
I went all circle for larger live baits and octopus for smaller baits like worms and clams in that area. My gut hook ratio went way down and I still catch lots of fish, if there are fish around which is a real problem. Everyone adapts differently to unlearning the well trained hook set. It is easier for new fishermen because they didn't have the instinct in the first place.
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Old 01-14-2021, 07:47 AM
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Each State will be submitting comments and working with the ASMFC to make final regulations. MA will be having a comment period soon, along with the other states. Thanks and have a good day.
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Our fisheries management is built on the idea of a maximum harvest. That is the removal of the maximum amount of biomass, leaving just enough so they could survive a disease outbreak.
To me, that is unacceptable. I want more rules to build a more prolific biomass. Apparently, the catch and release mortality rate is alarmingly high so I am glad that the fisheries management is doing something about it.

No more snag and drop, no more rigged eels - that sucks for me but it's good for the fishery. The purpose of the regulations are to manage the fishery, not our experience.

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