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I know this is a heavily debated topic already but looking to get some feedback. I am looking to move up to primarily fish the NE canyons, with a mix of overnighters and day trips. I am coming out of the Barnegat area so most of the runs will be 70-100 miles each way. I know alot of people will say they run offshore in their 24' center console and have no problem but I am looking to move up to something that is really designed to be run offshore, and will be suitable for a crew of 3-5 on overnighters.

Obviously the most important info first is I am looking to stay at a budget of around $45-50k. For the most part I have been looking at inboard diesel - preferably Yanmar or Cummins, but occasionally consider 4 stroke outboards route as well. I have much more experience with outboards than diesels. So when buying diesels, assuming the oil analysis comes back ok and you have a certified tech run through everything - what are some of the bigger concerns with buying older motors. For example, buying a set of diesels that are from 2001 with 2-3000 hours on them?

The short list of boats I have been looking at so far consist of these. So I am also curious to hear some input on the sea worthiness of these running to the canyons.

Carolina 28 - Biggest con I see of this boat is the fuel range so a bladder will probably be needed.
2002 - 2005 Pro-Line 33 Express
Older Rampage or Topaz 29-31
Older Pursuit 3250/3070 - but most seem to be gas inboard
Grady Marlin 300

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10-14-2020, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lastoflemas View Post
45-50k wont get you a reliable safe canyon boat...
I have to disagree. 50k is a realistic budget as long as you know the correct end of the screwdriver to hold and have realistic expectations. I have spent the last 10 years canyong fishing in boats in that price range (25 diesel sea vee, 29 diesel strike, and now a 28 diesel henriques). You can pick up a mid to late 90's 28 henriques in your price range with either mechanical volvos or yanmars. I bought a 1997 28 henriques with 1000 hours on a pair of 170hp 4 cylinder yanmars three years ago in that range. I have done some maintenance and upgrades over time, but have done a lot of offshore and canyon overnights with it. I know a few guys who fish the same hull/power out of shinnecock and have put a lot of tuna and swords in it.

It is a great 3-4 guy canyon boat. I like doing a crew of three when i go overnight. Plenty of room for everyone. and a enough room in the cockpit for a commercial fishbox.

As someone else said it is not a deep v, so it does not run as fast in a head sea as a carolina classic. I leave a little earlier (usually 1 or 2 am on a daytrip) put the tabs down and cruise at a comfy speed through the night and take my time. The boat has no shortage of range. I hold 220 and have never burned more than 150 on an overnight.

So do not let anyone rain on your parade just yet. I will tell you a couple of secrets:

1) you can have a canyon capable boat for less than the price of a new pickup
2) you can catch just as many fish with used shimano tlds that you can get for under $300 as you can with talicas/avets
3) only instagram will know if you rods match, the fish probably wont care
4) you can catch just as many fish with an old shirt from the hardware store as you can wearing special ocean camo pattern sport-tec breathable gluten free shirts with marlin on them and a matching visor.

If you need anymore tips on being a section 8 canyon guy just reach out, happy to help.



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Early season bluefin

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45-50k wont get you a reliable safe canyon boat...
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Do you want an express, walk-around cuddy cabin, convertable, down east. I would agree your propessed budget is low for what I would consider a canyon capable boat. I have fished the canyons in 2 very different boats. On was a 37 Bertram, solid comfortable ride, go through anything. Sit on the flybridge drinking coffee on the way out, generator, not a speed demon but respectable. The other was a center console, faster, not as comfortable, not the same amenities. Both caught fish. Range is very important. Personally, I liked those big diesels sitting low in the hull. Much easier to deal with fish on an inboard as you don't have those outboards in the way.
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Stay away from the older balsa cored boats (i.e. Rampage, Pursuit) . They usually have hull issues

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i think you might have a hard time unless the used boating market bursts. I've been looking for a boat to do 2-3 canyon trips a year boat and the rest of the time within 40 miles. I'm looking for twin diesel express but only cummins or yanmar, my budget is up to 100k, I haven't found anything yet in about 4 months. The ones i have found have sold before I ever got maintenance records on them, don't have the fuel capacity, need about 20k worth of updating or when I saw them in person i saw a lot of issues with them i could see with the naked eye. If you're willing to go to an older hull this might work for you, it will need a new radar and might need a small bladder

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1988/topaz-32-3592183/

and theres this one too, i saw it in person and it had water in engine room and around generator, could just be from rain water through rod holders, but something to have looked at in survey. Its also in rougher condition than photos show, but perfect for fishing. I asked him for rebuild records about 2 months ago and never heard from the broker again even after seeing it in person. The boat only had 2800 hours total so those cummins were rebuilt at 1800 and 2300, I wouldn't touch it without seeing the records and knowing why it was rebuilt that early in the life on them. To me sounds like that guy ran the boat hard and over propped which would mean those rebuilds probably don't have a ton of life left in them either. Also the life raft does comes with the boat but its been expired since 2003, so its useless

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/199...ament-3587974/

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That Carolina is a nice riding boat but yeah, the range in that and the 35' aren't great and do require fuel bladders.

Henriques in that range has much better economy but also slower and not as comfy head sea. Wonder if any 35' Maine Coasters are out there so I looked.
Henriques and NE Canyons do go hand in hand. Updated Cummins on this one and in your price range.
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/198...er-35-3724513/

No (fewer) concerns if a good/reputable tech gives it a good going over in the survey and you also get a survey for the rest of the boat too.
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Originally Posted by Striper Ben View Post
I know this is a heavily debated topic already but looking to get some feedback. I am looking to move up to primarily fish the NE canyons, with a mix of overnighters and day trips. I am coming out of the Barnegat area so most of the runs will be 70-100 miles each way. I know alot of people will say they run offshore in their 24' center console and have no problem but I am looking to move up to something that is really designed to be run offshore, and will be suitable for a crew of 3-5 on overnighters.

Obviously the most important info first is I am looking to stay at a budget of around $45-50k. For the most part I have been looking at inboard diesel - preferably Yanmar or Cummins, but occasionally consider 4 stroke outboards route as well. I have much more experience with outboards than diesels. So when buying diesels, assuming the oil analysis comes back ok and you have a certified tech run through everything - what are some of the bigger concerns with buying older motors. For example, buying a set of diesels that are from 2001 with 2-3000 hours on them?

The short list of boats I have been looking at so far consist of these. So I am also curious to hear some input on the sea worthiness of these running to the canyons.

Carolina 28 - Biggest con I see of this boat is the fuel range so a bladder will probably be needed.
2002 - 2005 Pro-Line 33 Express
Older Rampage or Topaz 29-31
Older Pursuit 3250/3070 - but most seem to be gas inboard
Grady Marlin 300
Unless you are capable of extensive mechanical and boat repair/ building, I donít see you getting anywhere close to your requirements with stated budget. Double the budget and it might be possible but not easy.
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Depends on how handy you are, honestly. Can you do a ton of fiberglass repairs? Re-wire, etc?
you could repower an older 35' cc with some used outboards and add a bladder.
but it wold probably be another $25k. plus newer electronics, etc.
Inshore with the occasional 40 miles off is a better plan.
Good luck in your search!
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Actually just saw something that could work in your price range, but itíll need a bladder or an added saddle tank as itís only a 200 gallon tank. Itís in the Facebook group bluefin tuna fishing.

2004 stamas 32 express with outboards for 60k, itís in New Hampshire, pretty nice deal for that price.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1788...48398311855681
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Originally Posted by lastoflemas View Post
45-50k wont get you a reliable safe canyon boat...
With the used boat market this year, it's hard to find any good used quality boat. period.
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How about this
31 Bertram Bahia Mar
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You canít find a canyons capable boat for 45k right now in this market. 45k gets you a turnkey 6-12 year old(depends on the brand) 23 footer with a 250 4 stroke. Any platform you invest 45k into with the intention of fishing the canyons will cost you so much more on the back end your head will spin. Better off spending 90 on a boat someone already outfitted cuz that guy is only getting back 30 cents on his dollar for upgrades/rebuilds/maint when he sells it to you.
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There are some boats that will get you out and back in that price range but overnighting with 3-5 guys on a 32 foot boat will not be fun.
The smaller boats are good for 2 guys, 3 tops. Better off doing long day trips and bring the bean bags.
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Originally Posted by firechief View Post
How about this
31 Bertram Bahia Mar
16 knot cruise won't cut it for long canyon runs but sweet boat.
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Lol. The ultimate THT shit in the ops cereal thread. The first boat I ever fished for tuna on in the mid 80s was a 30 year old wood lobster boat that the capt bought for 15gs. All depends on your knowledge of systems and how much more you wanna learn. Some good options posted above I like that baha mar. And the phenix. Sp. They ain't head turners but will get you to the grounds.
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Originally Posted by Striper Ben View Post
I know this is a heavily debated topic already but looking to get some feedback. I am looking to move up to primarily fish the NE canyons, with a mix of overnighters and day trips. I am coming out of the Barnegat area so most of the runs will be 70-100 miles each way. I know alot of people will say they run offshore in their 24' center console and have no problem but I am looking to move up to something that is really designed to be run offshore, and will be suitable for a crew of 3-5 on overnighters.

Obviously the most important info first is I am looking to stay at a budget of around $45-50k. For the most part I have been looking at inboard diesel - preferably Yanmar or Cummins, but occasionally consider 4 stroke outboards route as well. I have much more experience with outboards than diesels. So when buying diesels, assuming the oil analysis comes back ok and you have a certified tech run through everything - what are some of the bigger concerns with buying older motors. For example, buying a set of diesels that are from 2001 with 2-3000 hours on them?

The short list of boats I have been looking at so far consist of these. So I am also curious to hear some input on the sea worthiness of these running to the canyons.

Carolina 28 - Biggest con I see of this boat is the fuel range so a bladder will probably be needed.
2002 - 2005 Pro-Line 33 Express
Older Rampage or Topaz 29-31
Older Pursuit 3250/3070 - but most seem to be gas inboard
Grady Marlin 300
Originally Posted by Esuomm1 View Post
That Carolina is a nice riding boat but yeah, the range in that and the 35' aren't great and do require fuel bladders.

Henriques in that range has much better economy but also slower and not as comfy head sea. Wonder if any 35' Maine Coasters are out there so I looked.
Henriques and NE Canyons do go hand in hand. Updated Cummins on this one and in your price range.
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/198...er-35-3724513/

No (fewer) concerns if a good/reputable tech gives it a good going over in the survey and you also get a survey for the rest of the boat too.
29 blackfin sporty or combi would do the job no prob.
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I agree you are going to be pressed to find a boat ready to go for that price. I think you will be able to find a boat that will get you there and back but it will need electronics, outriggers, rod holders etc.. Also I was looking for a similar boat last spring. The gas vs diesel examples were pretty extreme. Same boats that I bought with diesels for the same price we’re in rough shape. Nothing I would have trusted to go that far. Now I gave up on canyon range (using just her tanks) but I got a much better example for the price. I can make the canyons and I will next year but I will need to bring a bladder. Not a big deal since it’s not like I can go 10-15 times. I’ll be happy if I got 2-3.
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Originally Posted by lastoflemas View Post
45-50k wont get you a reliable safe canyon boat...
I have to disagree. 50k is a realistic budget as long as you know the correct end of the screwdriver to hold and have realistic expectations. I have spent the last 10 years canyong fishing in boats in that price range (25 diesel sea vee, 29 diesel strike, and now a 28 diesel henriques). You can pick up a mid to late 90's 28 henriques in your price range with either mechanical volvos or yanmars. I bought a 1997 28 henriques with 1000 hours on a pair of 170hp 4 cylinder yanmars three years ago in that range. I have done some maintenance and upgrades over time, but have done a lot of offshore and canyon overnights with it. I know a few guys who fish the same hull/power out of shinnecock and have put a lot of tuna and swords in it.

It is a great 3-4 guy canyon boat. I like doing a crew of three when i go overnight. Plenty of room for everyone. and a enough room in the cockpit for a commercial fishbox.

As someone else said it is not a deep v, so it does not run as fast in a head sea as a carolina classic. I leave a little earlier (usually 1 or 2 am on a daytrip) put the tabs down and cruise at a comfy speed through the night and take my time. The boat has no shortage of range. I hold 220 and have never burned more than 150 on an overnight.

So do not let anyone rain on your parade just yet. I will tell you a couple of secrets:

1) you can have a canyon capable boat for less than the price of a new pickup
2) you can catch just as many fish with used shimano tlds that you can get for under $300 as you can with talicas/avets
3) only instagram will know if you rods match, the fish probably wont care
4) you can catch just as many fish with an old shirt from the hardware store as you can wearing special ocean camo pattern sport-tec breathable gluten free shirts with marlin on them and a matching visor.

If you need anymore tips on being a section 8 canyon guy just reach out, happy to help.



First bigeye on the 28

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Look at the 32 luhrs open with diesels. They hold a bunch of fuel and if you find the right one, you are more than capable to run to the canyons. I would skip the gas boats for sale and look for a diesel. I have a 95 that is more than capable than alot of other boats that go to the canyons. I'm moving up in size and it will be up for sale soon.


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Thanks for the replies everyone. I forgot to include that I do want it to be an express. I would say I am pretty handy and if i go with diesels, would like to learn how to work on them myself.

The maine coaster is a nice boat - however I do want something that can run mid 20's and I have heard some stories about keel walking that have turned me off of that hull. It sounds like some of your recommendations are in line with the boats I have been looking at. The Carolina has been top of my search as it seems to be one of the more capable offshore boats in its class, but the canyons will require a bladder which isnt ideal.

So to put this in terms of outboards which I understand quite better than diesels at this point. Getting an older pair of outboards, there is obviously no guarantee in how long they will last, however, the best you can do is have some maintenance records and have a tech go through it and give it a clean bill of health. Obviously a rebuild or replacement on a outboard is cheaper than a diesel, is the process of purchasing relatively the same? If I have a certified tech go through the motors and do an oil analysis and everything comes back good - is there still a lot of reservation in buying a 20 year old pair of diesel motors with say about 2-3000 hours?


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