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Old 12-02-2019, 06:22 PM
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Here’s a true unicorn.... plus a killer tune!!
enjoy!

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Old 12-02-2019, 06:32 PM
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Those Morgan Bays seem to have stole the spotlight.
Got my popcorn out for that last video. That thing is a machine.



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Seen Jamies Toy and Ocean Outfitters on the water- badass !
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Old 12-02-2019, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PreciousCargo View Post
Here’s a true unicorn.... plus a killer tune!!
enjoy!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CCS33TvE_YM
Sweet boat. That hull was made from the NB 38. Its the new hot hull. I was on Ronnies and was very impresed.
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Old 12-02-2019, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PreciousCargo View Post
Here’s a true unicorn.... plus a killer tune!!
enjoy!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CCS33TvE_YM
I don't think you're allowed to post porno here. There are decency laws.....

GOD DAMN , that girl is sexy. What a rig! She hauls ass too.
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Old 12-03-2019, 05:07 AM
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I have 4000 hrs behind the wheel,of a Northern Bay 36 with 670 HP.

Your going to need at least 600 HP to cruise at 20 for extended periods. The boat needs 360-400HP (16-20GPH) to slide at 20 knots depending on load and sea condition. Anyone trying to sell you a boat with 450-500HP as being able to cruise at 20 knots is pushing both a fantasy and an engine running at 80% + load and 90% throttle.

i run my 20 knots between 62 and 70% load to take care of my engine for the long term.

as I and others have said, you can get into a 35-38’ DE for 150-200K, ut ti make it what you want and need in terms of canyon capability and reliability is going to get you close to 400K by the time you are done"
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Old 12-03-2019, 06:44 AM
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5 years ago I would have budgeted 500K to build a 38' with 700-800hp and a "basic" finish (i.e. halfway between rolled gel lobsterboat finish and wood-trimmed yacht finish) and a decent electronics package. Today I'd bump that estimate up to 750-800K, and even higher for some $hop$. Healthcare inflation got nothin' on the marine industry.

You can read for hours and hours about different hulls on the internets, the 35' vs 37' Duffy threads are great entertainment. The only way to figure it all out is to go for rides, even on the same hull with different finishes.
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Old 12-03-2019, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by backman View Post
I have 4000 hrs behind the wheel,of a Northern Bay 36 with 670 HP.

Your going to need at least 600 HP to cruise at 20 for extended periods. The boat needs 360-400HP (16-20GPH) to slide at 20 knots depending on load and sea condition. Anyone trying to sell you a boat with 450-500HP as being able to cruise at 20 knots is pushing both a fantasy and an engine running at 80% + load and 90% throttle.

i run my 20 knots between 62 and 70% load to take care of my engine for the long term.

as I and others have said, you can get into a 35-38’ DE for 150-200K, ut ti make it what you want and need in terms of canyon capability and reliability is going to get you close to 400K by the time you are done"
This and other boats just makes the point that these DE hulls take a lot of power to run 20kts. I have a 38x12 cold molded with a hard chine modified vee carolina botttom (much like Jarrett Bay sporty) with a single 450 Cummins and it cruises 20kt at 1950 and 11gph, so about 200hp down the shaft. Top end is 29kts at 2700. Granted it is light (14k lb) and skinny but needing 400hp to go 20 is nutz!!
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Old 12-03-2019, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Corndog38 View Post
This and other boats just makes the point that these DE hulls take a lot of power to run 20kts. I have a 38x12 cold molded with a hard chine modified vee carolina botttom (much like Jarrett Bay sporty) with a single 450 Cummins and it cruises 20kt at 1950 and 11gph, so about 200hp down the shaft. Top end is 29kts at 2700. Granted it is light (14k lb) and skinny but needing 400hp to go 20 is nutz!!
Actually, like any other boat, it depends on how the downeast hull has been finished. They are, by design, capable of respectable and efficient speed with moderate horsepower until you start putting weight in them. The typical, contemporary "canyon ready downeast" is anything but a "light and skinny" boat. Some have similar live-aboard accommodations as you would find in their owners' homes. The idea of what people actually need to go fishing these days has changed significantly. The Northern Bay 36 is capable of very good speed when light (see basic lobster boat "Uncle's UFO"). But the displacement increases significantly as weight is added and so you end up not only having to rely on more horsepower (which is more weight) to pull that weight around but also to push added displacement with different hydrodynamics. Most of the "canyon ready" 36s I've observed are sitting well below their designed waterlines. Wood decks, Corian counter tops, generator, water maker, water heater, the extra engine weight that goes with the extra horsepower that's needed to dig the poor boat out of its hole...all adds up.

I built a 30' downeast boat that weighed, in fishing trim, about 8000lbs. Powered by a 330hp diesel it topped out at 27kts and cruised at 15kts burning 4.5 gph (3.33mpg). At 20kts, about 2.5mpg. That boat ended up fishing offshore (Georges Bank and the Canyons) with its second owner making two to three day trips and using about 140 gallons of its 200 gallon capacity. The difference between fast and efficient downeast hulls and slow and inefficient downeast hulls mirrors the difference between what you need and what you want for a fishing boat.
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Agreed, weight is key. Same thing happens in Carolina boats. Everyone wants speed (30-40kts) and they do it by adding hp. More hp means more engine weight, beefier hull structure (more weight), more fuel weight, and more bling weight (someone buying a few mil $ boat gots to have bling). And now the boat feels piggy (to me), much like a heavy Viking.

I occasionally get to run an old Carolina boat that is light and modestly powered. Those things are a pleasure to run, planes off super easy, wake is not huge, burn rate reasonable. When I built my ride, that was what I wanted to emulate. It worked. It has all the stuff needed for southern cruising and fishing (gennie, galley, AC, two small cabins, water, shower, head) but all was done to keep weight down and still get 20kts. Could have done it with a Cummins B, but I did not like running a B at 200hp, so paid the weight penalty (500-odd lb) to go with the C. The QSB was out at the time, probably would have gone that way, but got a smokin deal on a used C. Glad I did because it is a gem, especially at 1950.

But the folks that pay the bucks to build a Carolina boat want speed, and that means weight, and to me you end up with a fast, but piggy boat. Might as well buy a Viking.
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That 43 Morgan Bay Weapon is currently my favorite boat. The setup for me is near perfect. I would prefer a big Cat over the Mann but what a boat that is! Once I convince my wife that our 401K and college savings for the kids, and paying our electric bill every month is over rated I'm getting one.
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What’s a guesstimate on the cost to build a rig like that NB43. I know North of a million but does it come in at under 2?
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https://athearnmarine.com/boats/boat..._number=TN5092

https://athearnmarine.com/boats/boat..._number=TN5118

https://athearnmarine.com/boats/boat..._number=TN4448
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yes absolutely. The guy who sold the 42 wesmac on here (basically sold it when it was finished being built to build a 46 I believe) sold for 1.2m ish
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Old 12-03-2019, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TUNEE View Post
Sweet boat. That hull was made from the NB 38. Its the new hot hull. I was on Ronnies and was very impresed.
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yes absolutely. The guy who sold the 42 wesmac on here (basically sold it when it was finished being built to build a 46 I believe) sold for 1.2m ish
Makes the insanity of pissing away 7 figs on a Boston Whaler, GW or mega sized CC even more pronounced.....
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What’s a guesstimate on the cost to build a rig like that NB43. I know North of a million but does it come in at under 2?
can easily be done for under a million. You're gonna have to be real handy though.

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can easily be done for under a million. You're gonna have to be real handy though.
Ok you have our attention. What is going on here?
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can easily be done for under a million. You're gonna have to be real handy though.
That’s outstanding that you have the skills and ambition to take on such a project. If I had family who was dedicated to fishing and had the available time off and desire to make use of such a piece of equipment, I’d already own a 35ish DE. I suppose that I am as dialed in to the Block Island Area Fishing as most and do quite a bit of “catching” and still fish alone 1/2 the time. Work, weather, family and desire etc etc always seems to get in the way and 2 of my 3 adult sons are pukers. My little Parker 2520 is NO CANYON BOAT but it does everything I ask of it for Block Island Fishing and I can easily run it solo and can afford to fish it as much as I want.

Now I go and upgrade, all my $$ numbers go up and I am still in the same situation with crew as I was with my Parker but now it costs me more and everything else is a bigger project.

At 55 thinking my little Parker will be as big of splash as I will make in the boating game but I love looking at the DEs and even cooler if you do the finish yourself.

I am sure your boat is sweet.....



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Originally Posted by PreciousCargo View Post
Takes it too an entirely different level!!
Morgan Bays are no Joke.
That thing is badass!!

check this DE beast out below

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zhZyDy2Gi6Q
You can run faster than this boat. This engine in this video was removed and found a new home in the 43 Morgan Bay.
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What’s a guesstimate on the cost to build a rig like that NB43. I know North of a million but does it come in at under 2?
under a million
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