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Old 05-21-2019, 11:49 AM
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Trying to clarify the somewhat confusing array of HMS updates on the Angling category permit. The update on 3/18/19 stated southern trophy fishery was closed south of 39 degree 18 minutes latitude and retention, possession, or landing south of that was no bueno. The next line up on the HMS updates mentions nothing of retention or possession or L/M or giants, but does say "landing" L/M or giants south of 39 18 is closed. Landing is defined as bringing the fish to shore.

Some seem to be saying that you can fish south and then bring it in to a northern port? Is that true? Wish HMS was more clear on this, tried calling to no avail.

https://hmspermits.noaa.gov/news
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landing to me is removing it from water.

i can certainly be wrong though.
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Old 05-21-2019, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
landing to me is removing it from water.

i can certainly be wrong though.
no they define it as bringing it to port.

https://hmspermits.noaa.gov/aboutLandings
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think about it.

if the southern trophy fishery was closed south of 39 degree 18 minutes latitude and retention, possession, or landing south of that was no bueno and landing was closed then you’d have to catch above the line and land above the line. the way its written is for no catch above the line and return to below the line.
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So whats with the closure notice saying retention and possession? If you are boarded south of the line, and have one on board, you simply state "Im headed north"?
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you can’t catch s - so if you get found below the line with - no bueno. does not matter which way you are headed.
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You definitely can't fish south of the line and bring the fish up north to land. Will people still do it, yes.

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/bulle...ern-area-close
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You definitely can't fish south of the line and bring the fish up north to land. Will people still do it, yes.

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/bulle...ern-area-close
It's weird though why the language is different, because if it was worded simply as the retention limits state, then you would be permitted to do that. Closure notice says possession retention and landing, and retention limits just says landing.
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Called and actually got through this time. Stumped the lady I spoke with and am waiting on a call back.
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Originally Posted by grady_22 View Post
It's weird though why the language is different, because if it was worded simply as the retention limits state, then you would be permitted to do that. Closure notice says possession retention and landing, and retention limits just says landing.
What retention limits update are you reading? Here is the latest one im seeing. Clearly states its closed.

Angling and Charter/Headboat vessels may also land one bluefin tuna measuring 73" or greater per vessel per year north of 39°18’N (off Great Egg Inlet, NJ), as well as in the Gulf of Mexico. The trophy bluefin fishery for the southern area is closed.
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It seems to me the wording of fishing regulations is very vague and mostly stupid. Maybe its the NOAA not knowing what they are doing, maybe im a big dummy. They could definitely make it easier to understand and easier to find.
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Got a call back from a lady at HMS in gloucester. She called the rules and regs people who are at a meeting in MD to confirm but she confirmed keeping fish south of 39 18 is prohibited. Wish they just kept the language consistent in their updates.
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Originally Posted by grady_22 View Post
Trying to clarify the somewhat confusing array of HMS updates on the Angling category permit. The update on 3/18/19 stated southern trophy fishery was closed south of 39 degree 18 minutes latitude and retention, possession, or landing south of that was no bueno. The next line up on the HMS updates mentions nothing of retention or possession or L/M or giants, but does say "landing" L/M or giants south of 39 18 is closed. Landing is defined as bringing the fish to shore.

Some seem to be saying that you can fish south and then bring it in to a northern port? Is that true? Wish HMS was more clear on this, tried calling to no avail.

https://hmspermits.noaa.gov/news

total simple solution to find out. Go catch one below the line. Call it in. Explain you are heading north and see if they congratulate you or give you a hefty fine. Then you’ll have your answer.
Or hire a lawyer to figure out the wording that 99% of us with the exact same permit agree that below the line is shut off to fishing regardless of what the language says
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total simple solution to find out. Go catch one below the line. Call it in. Explain you are heading north and see if they congratulate you or give you a hefty fine. Then you’ll have your answer.
Or hire a lawyer to figure out the wording that 99% of us with the exact same permit agree that below the line is shut off to fishing regardless of what the language says
This was by far the most helpful reply in the thread, I congratulate you on your amazing ability to poll 99 percent of HMS Angling permit holders in such a short window of time! An explicit answer has already been obtained from HMS.
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My take on it was, very simply:

If you have a fish onboard and get boarded, or bring a fish back to a port, ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE LINE = Bad
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Originally Posted by HookMeUpII View Post
My take on it was, very simply:

If you have a fish onboard and get boarded, or bring a fish back to a port, ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE LINE = Bad
To be frank, this was my take on it as well. A couple of guys in my fishing intel group were perpetuating the idea that fish could be caught on the wrong side and brought back and "landed" at a northern port. That to me, made the regulation almost unenforceable, which did not make sense. As a matter of fact, I know of several that have been caught with the recent bite in the canyons SE of NJ that were advertised on social media that were 100% on the wrong side of the line, since that 39 18 line cuts off even part of the Hudson. So the misconception must exist out there for more than a few.
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Originally Posted by grady_22 View Post
To be frank, this was my take on it as well. A couple of guys in my fishing intel group were perpetuating the idea that fish could be caught on the wrong side and brought back and "landed" at a northern port. That to me, made the regulation almost unenforceable, which did not make sense. As a matter of fact, I know of several that have been caught with the recent bite in the canyons SE of NJ that were advertised on social media that were 100% on the wrong side of the line, since that 39 18 line cuts off even part of the Hudson. So the misconception must exist out there for more than a few.
They are just willing to take the risk I guess. I'm not saying it's right. I see the allure. 400 lb fish @ $10 lb average. Posting pics on social media though? It only takes one salty viewer to make a call. That's like robbing a house and bragging on FB about the cool TV you scored.

People think the CG isn't out there and that's a big mistake. Couple years ago, during the insane bite in the Hudson in December, they had cutters out there launching RIB's boarding boats. Hell, 2 weeks ago I was boarded for a safety check in the ICW helping my cousin bring his boat back to the dock. If someone thinks they aren't going to question a massive fish bag lying on the deck, they're mistaken.

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They're endangered, we should let them all go.
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