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Why is live baiting offshore not more popular?

Old 02-18-2019, 02:46 PM
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When I have fished in several other areas offshore (mostly Mexico, Caribbean, Pacific) live bait has been the go-to method for tuna. Here it seems that I only see people trolling and a few folks running the kite with plastic squids or yummies. Why is this technique not more popular here? It seems like 8-10" bluefish would be perfect bait to bump troll around the canyon? Menhaden would be good too if you could keep them alive. I think I heard of several boats doing it with tinker mackerel...

Has anyone tried this? I've had captains tell me the the yellowfin just wont bite as readily on trolled baits as they do the live baits.

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Old 02-18-2019, 04:34 PM
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good question. I'd say the distance we have to run to get to fish has something to do with it. both loosing time in the am. locating & catching bait and then keeping them alive during the long run.
many years ago when the school bft bluefish & Mako's were thick on the 20-30 fathom line. iv bridled bluefish & trolled them for Mako's with success
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:03 PM
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tinker mackerel? is that same as atlantic mac's? (while at it, is boston mac same as atlantic mac)
One of the guys that reg fish with me has the whole kite set-up , I got the impression he didn't like it as it was hassel to set-up and he did better trolling
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:37 PM
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For me, itís logistics getting bait. To have lines in by sun up I have to be pulling out of my dock at 330 AM at the latest for most of the summer and often earlier. No time / light to make bait the day of, and Iím often getting down and working in the dark the night before to prep everything. The run is just too long. That said, inshore chunking I plan to incorporate more live bait and even a way back live bait on a kite conditions permitting. Iím sure it would work. Just see the success the white marlin live bait guys have when they can track down tinker macs. For meat fishing like I usually do, would it work better than trolling? Thatís an open question in my mind.
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Old 02-25-2019, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cletus9000 View Post
For me, itís logistics getting bait. To have lines in by sun up I have to be pulling out of my dock at 330 AM at the latest for most of the summer and often earlier. No time / light to make bait the day of, and Iím often getting down and working in the dark the night before to prep everything. The run is just too long. That said, inshore chunking I plan to incorporate more live bait and even a way back live bait on a kite conditions permitting. Iím sure it would work. Just see the success the white marlin live bait guys have when they can track down tinker macs. For meat fishing like I usually do, would it work better than trolling? Thatís an open question in my mind.

i think over the next 5-8 years we are going to see a shift in the use of live baiting in our local canyons....
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Old 02-25-2019, 06:21 PM
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iv had the kite & yummy flyer setup like they pull in NC when the tuna are keying in on flying fish but haven't tried it yet. i also have a few squids set up to drop from it like a greenstick bait & bridaling live bait would be no problem.
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Old 02-26-2019, 06:55 AM
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iv had the kite & yummy flyer setup like they pull in NC when the tuna are keying in on flying fish but haven't tried it yet. i also have a few squids set up to drop from it like a greenstick bait & bridaling live bait would be no problem.
I tried it a little last year. My issue was getting the damn thing to deploy correctly as it is tough to get it up and running out of the back of the boat (where there's less wind). I think the trick is going to be set the kite first, then get the rest of the spread out. But then if you're like me you'll inevitably dunk it in the water and have to wait for it to dry out haha. But if you're going to make a long troll into the wind it is an interesting set up to try out if you plan around it.
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At some of these more tropical places, the fish are more concentrated off structure. For example, in the Gulf of Mexico, the tuna are usually concentrated on the upcurrent side of the oil rig. The San Diego longe range fleet frequently fish near humps, underwater ledges, or structure. Quite frankly, normal trolling doesn't seem to fool the larger fish in these areas. They do mostly live bait and bigger fish tend to come off the kites.

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Old 02-28-2019, 07:58 AM
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Bluefish, Iím not sure if comment is for or against live baiting in our waters.

In my mind (example) the Norfolk is fairly significant structure. But when compared to a sea mount or an oil rig it is pretty huge. It may be to hard to locate the fish here making live bait less effective. I do remember clearly marking a lot of the fish when livebaiting down south.

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Originally Posted by finnedfanatic View Post
Bluefish, Iím not sure if comment is for or against live baiting in our waters.

In my mind (example) the Norfolk is fairly significant structure. But when compared to a sea mount or an oil rig it is pretty huge. It may be to hard to locate the fish here making live bait less effective. I do remember clearly marking a lot of the fish when livebaiting down south.


From what I have gathered with the tinker mackerel live baiting, Mark the bait ball, the billfish are all over it if itís balled up, drop down and start catching bait and as soon as your making bait put them out, stay with the bait ball and youíll stay on the billfish.


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I have done both. First the tinkers don't show up well some years and make it tough to make bait. I love live baiting Marlin but didn't have a chance this year. Sometimes the tinkers do show up but the bite simply isnt there, so you cant cover ground at the lower speed. I have caught live bait then ran to water and have been successful for marlin. If you stay in the area you are stuck there, driving a slow circle hoping for action instead of hunting for it.

Someone else hit it on the head, other places are fishing structure or FADs which means you can go at live bait speed ie slow. Most times in the midatlantic you are fishing moving water and seaching for the fish meaning that you need to cover ground at a faster speed than live bait allows.

Just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by jay brooks View Post
I have done both. First the tinkers don't show up well some years and make it tough to make bait. I love live baiting Marlin but didn't have a chance this year. Sometimes the tinkers do show up but the bite simply isnt there, so you cant cover ground at the lower speed. I have caught live bait then ran to water and have been successful for marlin. If you stay in the area you are stuck there, driving a slow circle hoping for action instead of hunting for it.

Someone else hit it on the head, other places are fishing structure or FADs which means you can go at live bait speed ie slow. Most times in the midatlantic you are fishing moving water and seaching for the fish meaning that you need to cover ground at a faster speed than live bait allows.

Just my opinion.

Good to hear a hands on perspective.
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Trolling 6-8 knots using lures and ballyhoo works great here, why using live bait.
Some try live black tuna to get the real big tunas, but it don't work too well
When we do inshore for roosterfish then we need live bait, catching enough live sardines can be a thirty minute or two hour job plus add extra miles and fuel to the bill.
Live bait is better or necessary for slow trolling with downrigger or fishing for roosterfish and it can give better results in bottomfishing,
but for trolling, dead bait and lures give good results as well.
Live bait cannot be trolled fast so you need to know exactly where the target fish is, otherwise you will not catch nothing
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Old 03-01-2019, 07:01 PM
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What kite are y'all running for trolling the yummies/squid? BBG or standard square/diamond? Got setup with rod and electric reel over the winter and want to give it a go this year. Also, how many drops are y'all pulling off the kite?
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:31 PM
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The kite depends on how much you want to invest. I have seen everything from a regular kite with tail from the kite shack or you can buy the expensive kites like used in Florida. Starting off 1 dropper will be more then enough to handle as this is really a hands on experience as constant reeling and dropping is needed to keep your bait dancing on top the water.
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I have a Boston big game kite around + - $40 I haven't tried it offshore yet only at my house I live in the middle of a big field the further & higher it gets the more stable & consistent it is
I also have the blacks release clips to make a double dropper rig like the NC boats pull.
but I'm gonna experiment with an old Starr wire line rod & a tld25 filled with 80# power pro. my plan is to let the kite out about 200-300 yards then use a rubber band & a small stainless 1/2" ring attached to the braid. put the snapswivel of the bait rod thru the ring then attach the bait & let em out when a fish hits the rubbband will break & hooked up

I often times in the afternoon do a long troll back home in to the 20-30 fathom lumps looking for a bluefin Wahoo or whatever & this would be a great time to give this a try
bait ??? ballyhoo squid yummy flyer

from what iv read what makes a bait that's leaving the water so effective is the flight factor to the predator if it's in the water they have a choice but when it's leaving the water it's getting away & it triggers an iv got to eat it response
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:16 PM
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About the kite?

Does anyonr one have A good link on the mechanics of trolling with a kite?
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Old 03-02-2019, 08:55 PM
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There used to be a really good read on it a while back but I cant find it now.
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