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Striped bass management at a crossroads

Old 02-10-2019, 12:42 PM
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Interesting article by Chris dollar in the Annapolis capitol

https://www.capitalgazette.com/sport...210-story.html
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Interesting article by Chris dollar in the Annapolis capitol

https://www.capitalgazette.com/sport...210-story.html
We need to throw those big fish back. Have I kept one....yes. The first one I had ever caught was 44 lbs. So in the box it went. I however, will never keep one over 40 lbs again. My buddy caught a 40 lber on my boat this fall. We already had two bass and a blue in the box. I told him it had to go back.

I have a 5 and six year old who I would like to enjoy catching these fish one day.
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What is the margin of error in the recent survey he based his entire article on?
because it's not a gloom and doom story, stripped bass have shown to be the biggest success story of fishery biologists.


I like eating bass and my children will want to experience that too. As a diver I've seen no loss of stock or size year to year. And one bass per person is very sound and reasonable
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There in trouble again just like the geese are.just like last time stock is way down and we're still killing them.the last time the fish were in trouble lots of people stepped up and did the hatchery thing and such we probly won't see that kind of effort again.slow growth cycle fast harvest=we're in bad shape.
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There in trouble again just like the geese are.just like last time stock is way down and we're still killing them.the last time the fish were in trouble lots of people stepped up and did the hatchery thing and such we probly won't see that kind of effort again.slow growth cycle fast harvest=we're in bad shape.
Just like what geese? I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing about stripers, but if you think geese are in trouble then you must not golf. Or visit public parks. Or spend much time on coastal waters. Or work at an office park with a pond. Or drive by many corn fields this time of year at daylight.
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Just like what geese? I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing about stripers, but if you think geese are in trouble then you must not golf. Or visit public parks. Or spend much time on coastal waters. Or work at an office park with a pond. Or drive by many corn fields this time of year at daylight.

Well, this sure is a highly uneducated opinion.



Have you looked into migratory population levels?

Why do you think the Atlantic Flyway Council is recommending a drastic season cut for next year? Why did MD make a recommendation to harvest less than the limit late this season?

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Back on topic: Striped Bass Management!

It doesn’t sound like the ASMFC will make significant changes to the striped bass regulations this year but quite possibly big changes in 2020 if the trend continues with a smaller and smaller population of breeders (SSB). I hope its not too late. I just don’t know why they don’t protect the breeders now and keep the fishery open. You would think they (ASMFC) learned their lesson from the 80’s when it took a moratorium to bring the striped bass population back to healthy levels.
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Back on topic: Striped Bass Management!

It doesn’t sound like the ASMFC will make significant changes to the striped bass regulations this year but quite possibly big changes in 2020 if the trend continues with a smaller and smaller population of breeders (SSB). I hope its not too late. I just don’t know why they don’t protect the breeders now and keep the fishery open. You would think they (ASMFC) learned their lesson from the 80’s when it took a moratorium to bring the striped bass population back to healthy levels.


Unfortunately making changes at the ASMFC is like steering large ship. Takes time. Stock assessment still has not even been approved due to the govt shut down. May will be a BIG meeting. I hope people are prepared for what will be massive reductions. My bet is that mortality will have to decrease by over 50% (I have been told looking like 57% unless some groups who want max yield have their way and they lower the reference points that have given us a viable fishery for decades now).

Two thoughts from my perspective: (1) In order to keep meaningful access and opportunity open while significantly reducing mortality, dead discards will have to go up. Personally, I am at the point where restrictive slot limits make the most sense. This means many more fish will released, which also means dead discards will go up. However by converting kept fish to released fish, mortality will go down exponentially given the released fish have 9% mortality vs 100% of harvested fish according to the ASMFC. (2) We need all states to embrace actions to attempt to lower release mortality rates. Regulations such as circle hooks with bait, no culling, no gaffing, etc. need to be embraced. There are things that show ways to reduce release mortality. It would be great to see the ASMFC TC look to lower the release mortality rate based on these measures.

Sport fishing is driven by participation and the economic engine is fishing trips. I believe species such as redfish, snook, largemouth bass on the freshwater side, etc. have shown that opportunity for engagement with a reasonable opportunity for harvest (small creels, slots, etc) still fuel people taking trips. People seem happy to participate and release large redfish or even numbers with the chance to keep a couple of puppy drum. Given that red drum and striped bass have a lot parallels historically, economically, and culturally, I think redfish management is an excellent model to look at given their success. Lets face it, the striped bass management model is failing!
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Originally Posted by Shore Native View Post
Well, this sure is a highly uneducated opinion.



Have you looked into migratory population levels?

Why do you think the Atlantic Flyway Council is recommending a drastic season cut for next year? Why did MD make a recommendation to harvest less than the limit late this season?
Have to agree with Steve, they aren’t looking in the right places. Maybe that’s the issue with the stripers? Are they all hanging out off New England now?
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There definitely not looking in the right places
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I goose hunt alot and I rockfish alot. Both were dismal the past year. A few good days, but mostly below average of previous years. What I can't understand, and I am really not educated in this topic, is DNR waits til early/mid summer to make the waterfowl regulations annually based breeding pairs and research by Maryland DNR biologist up in Canada in the spring. But the rock fish regulations seem like a bureaucratic mess. DNR biologist measure the spawn in the tributaries, why not take that information and use it to make the fishing season for the following season.

Again this is my simple and uneducated opinion, but it seems like we make quick season changes with waterfowl and while rockfish regulations takes years to address.
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Have to agree with Steve, they aren’t looking in the right places. Maybe that’s the issue with the stripers? Are they all hanging out off New England now?
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It's all about the bait! No bunker = no striped bass!
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