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Old 11-08-2018, 06:24 PM
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Those numbers are staggering, it's bio 101 if you remove the first link in the food chain...
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:05 AM
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I just got my notice to contribute again to CBF, I figure does work to help the bay, but each yr I struggle with ,,, should help support many of the things they do that I disagree with?

IMHO opinion Omega is the biggest polluter in the bay , just watch a video of them removing the menhaden and the waste water ( squeezed ,crushed and chopped fish ) being discharged... Yet chesapeake bay Foundation continues to say farmers are the worst. and it seems to be their primary focus.. Claiming they want clean waters --but ignoring those that remove the fish that filter/clean the bays waters!
I have to wonder, ignored ? or protected by omission?
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:39 AM
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Stopped going 6 years ago. No rockfish in the lower bay worth chasing and none on the ocean side inside the 3 mi limit. As long as Virginia allows Omega to rape the lower Bay and the ocean front, there will be no rockfish down here.
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Old 11-09-2018, 06:15 AM
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I used to think it was the Repubís in the Va General Assembly that were allowing Omega to rape the lower bay. But theyíve been out of power for a year or two, and we have an ES boy, Ralph Northam as Gov. Still nothing has changed.
Maybe we try our Congressmen? I know Rob Wittman is a big- time fisherman, and now we have a new Dem congresswoman down here in VB. Also, now is the time to have conversations with your GA Representatives, once it gets too close to the Session they get too busy preparing their bills for the upcoming session. Letís get their ear early and get them to state their position . I would be happy to get the Menhaden out of GA control, getting it under VMRC would be a great first step thatís not too risky for a Delegate to vote for. I mean, itís just common sense.
As for giving up, yeah, I havenít caught an Ocean Rockfish in 4-5 years . But, I go looking every season. My FF gets emptier and emptier every season. Hard to believe you could catch 60+ pounders out there, 500+ boats out there on Black Friday, 1 hour plus wait at Owls Creek ramp, pick your Beehive when you clear the Inlet, etc.
Sorry for the long post, but Iíd like to see that fishery return before I get too old to fish
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Old 11-09-2018, 06:48 AM
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I believe Wittman ( whom, I like, and voted for ) ,,, grew up in omega town (NN) worked for Omega when in college and think daughter and/ or son -in -law lobbies for omega.. So his position on this is not one I trust
Its not only on side, its looks pretty much shared overall greed...

Note: before a bill gets passed to a vote, it has to clear a committee- that committee is dominated by Comm fishing industry people! One's father owns the company that supplies those wax covered boxes used in distributing menhaden.. ( the bill keep being blocked from making it to a vote)

BTW, I agree would like to see the fishery return quickly,,, and I truly believe it could happen , I know the menhaden pop can recover quickly and striper(rockfish to me) can also recover quickly Not sure recovery times -- flounder, trout, drum & the many other species affected by lack of forage

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Old 11-09-2018, 12:27 PM
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I haven't been on these forums very long but from what I'm reading it looks like Rocks in the lower bay are pretty scarce and upper bay is getting scarcer while there seem to be plenty up north (NY, NJ, Boston area). It looks like the reason for the low population down south of the CBB is the harvesting of Menhaden. So what becomes of the northern CB population (the fish that stay in the bay year round) once they are depleted? Seems to me migratory fish may not come through the lower CB if there aren't any food around. And from the sounds of it this year from the fishing reports I've read the migratory fish just aren't coming in numbers.
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:25 PM
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Omega is the worst - If I had the money I would buy them and shut down the whole thing and make wrecks out of the boats
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:39 PM
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Omega is definitely the devil to the Chesapeake Bay. I am not sure shutting them down would be good for everyone but something MUST be done about the localized depletion. Make them take their fish from other areas so the bay and the mouth of the Chesapeake doesnt get so depleted. Heck, I would support keeping them from harvesting out of any inland waters.
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Old 11-09-2018, 02:02 PM
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I have litterally came out of the creek at dusk- can see the Omega ships headed east on the radar with NOTHING on the sounder screen because they have been in there all night. Soon as you get to Smiths Light and the MD line the screen lights up!! It's no joke, been watching it happen for several years.. Although we have had decent season the last 2, it's only because MD is not too far North from our creek.. Lower than the cut channel these days shows no real action thanks to our friends with large nets....
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Old 11-10-2018, 07:18 AM
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I found this article:
https://pilotonline.com/news/local/e...4cac27866.html
I had no idea about this company. I do know the bunkers are the main food source in the CB. I see a lot of bait balls up where I am and even see small schools in the marina and round the dock.
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Old 11-10-2018, 07:21 AM
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Here is something more recent.

https://www.chesapeakebaymagazine.co...-of-compliance
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Originally Posted by Fishinreeltime View Post
I found this article:
https://pilotonline.com/news/local/e...4cac27866.html
I had no idea about this company. I do know the bunkers are the main food source in the CB. I see a lot of bait balls up where I am and even see small schools in the marina and round the dock.
While I don't know what can be done. but its great to have others understand va rec's pain on this... they really ruined the Va fishery..
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Old 11-10-2018, 04:39 PM
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The truth is, Menhaden will always be harvested as long as there is a market, they have to do what the people want. they certainly will never stop Omega just because some fishermen think their fishing might be easier if they did. If you stopped Omega there would just be another company to take its place
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Old 11-10-2018, 06:36 PM
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The truth is, Menhaden will always be harvested as long as there is a market, they have to do what the people want. they certainly will never stop Omega just because some fishermen think their fishing might be easier if they did. If you stopped Omega there would just be another company to take its place

Agreed. Omega protein is needed for many industries. What we need to focus on is how to force the hands of the managers to spread out Omega's harvests so they do not devastate one area so harshly. It may drive up Omegas cost on harvesting. However the localized depletion in the Chesapeake caused havoc on other economies.
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Originally Posted by zam View Post
The truth is, Menhaden will always be harvested as long as there is a market, they have to do what the people want. they certainly will never stop Omega just because some fishermen think their fishing might be easier if they did. If you stopped Omega there would just be another company to take its place
Just to make sure, I think most are NOT against the harvest of menhaden... From what I can read, other states did stop overharvesting for the REDUCTION industry.

Last figure's I read were @85% of menhaden are being taken out of Va waters.. (Va has 85% of entire east coast allotment) How can this not cause menhaden depletion? Its not just "some fishermen" I know many businesses (grocery , restaurants, fuel stations ,etc) that blame omega for having to shut down..
In Fact when I moved to current location, the house next to me was for sale... the man I talked too said he grew up here, but had to close down his charter business " because of omega" !

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I also think the legislators in the VA GA whose districts donít touch the bay donít know the real story. Omega sugar coats it with their lobbyists ď Oh, the bay is fine, look at our dataĒ. Those legislators have to read thru and vote on 3000+ bills in either a 45 or 60 day session, so they depend on those lobbyists .
When I get a chance to speak with legislators from SW Va or up in the valley , I frame it this way, ď if a manmade action caused all your wildlife ( deer, turkey, dove, etc) to disappear from your area, that would be bad, wouldnít itĒ. I think we need to get to all delegates, not just those over here on the bay, they are the ones with the close ties to Omega, unfortunately.
Hereís a Sunday Stumper, why canít you farm raise Menhaden? Or can you, but itís cheaper to rape the bay?
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What fun is it to catch all of the time, it's called fishin, not catchin.
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I gave up years ago. IMHO the taste is bland, and a croaker typically fights harder.
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Any idea why SAI Global out of Ireland handles the menhaden Fishery Assessment?
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Originally Posted by NaptownBogey View Post
I gave up years ago. IMHO the taste is bland, and a croaker typically fights harder.
You've been catching croaker?
Haven't seen a decent croaker bite in years..
Haven't seen a decent trout bite in years...
Haven't seen a decent flounder bite in years..
Haven't seen a decent (big) bluefish bite in years...

Yes, like the rock, some of these fish can be found somewhere, sometimes.
But none of'em like we used to.
And I agree with Charlie. It ain't the farmers.
And I hate to be a doom & gloom kinda guy, but let's face it, Omega, the developers and the rest of those that stand to make the big dollars on the region will continue to call the shots.
Nothing's gonna change for the better, except the snakehead fishing.
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